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  • Las Vegas is not Disneyland, Part 5

    When I worked in Vegas in the mid-80's, the best gig going was middling college basketball. Before the introduction of the shot clock and the three-point shot to college hoops--sometime in the late 80's--no sport was as close to as lucrative for middlers as was college baskets.

    In fact, Robby's(Polar's) boss, who was also my boss for a time, perfectly described the easeful riches to be gained from middling college basketball when he said, "It's like shooting fish in a barrel."

    In fact, middling college baskets was so lucrative that you didn't even have to middle games to make money; you could "side" them. In other words, you could lay -1 and take +2 and lay -2 and take +3. According to studies that I did for the 83-83 and 84-85 seasons, implementing this strategy yielded an average profit of 1.5% on moneys invested. For example, for every game where you layed a dime on minus 1 and took +2 for a dime, you could expect to make $33. If you were able to do this dozens of times a day, and for amounts considerably larger than a dime on each side, imagine the profit potential.

    In fact, some joints were so ignorant about the value of a point in college hoops, they would foolishly jump their line a full point when you bet the limit. We used to stick two guys in certain joints. One guy would bet one side, and then after the line was moved a point, the other guy would bet it back the other way. Back and forth they would go. It was like taking candy from a baby.

    Now, consider how great the middles were.
    1-and-a-half point middles on 1 point to 4 point favorites yielded an incredible 4.8% average profit on monies invested. As one went above 4 point favorites, profits declined, but one could still expect an approximately 1-and-a-half percent return on 1-and-a-half point middles.

    Unbelievably, many sportsbooks also allowed bettors to buy half points, at 6/5, on college hoops. Well, around 1 to 3, this was like giving money away.

    Before the shot clock and 3-point shot, many college basketball games were very low scoring. Weak teams would constantly stall against good teams. So many games would be close, and then come down to the final shot; hence the value of numbers around pick to 4.

    One of the reasons that our operation shut down was the rule changes in college basketball. Middling college baskets had been our bread and butter. After the rule changes, the percentage profit in colege baskets dropped dramatically.

    In fact, I don't mind giving out the current
    percentages, since middling college hoops is no longer worth my time and energy. According to my most recent studies, 1-and-a-half-point middles in college baskets on teams that are between 1 and 6 point favorites yields a 0.9% profit on monies invested. Anything above a 6-point favorite yields a negative return. In other words, to make real decent money in college basketball middling, you now need two-point middles, which are hard to come by.

    The greatest college basketball middler in Vegas history was Marty the Jew. Marty made an absolute mint middling college baskets.
    He knew exactly what he was doing and had an incredible collection of large private bookies throughout the country. Interestingly, if I recall right, Syl, who had been one of the corrupt supervisors at the Stardust during the Sam Brown reign, worked for Marty as a runner after he was ousted from the Dust. And, he was supposedly robbed of a 100 dimes that he had been fronted. I'll believe in the tooth fairy before I believe he was actually robbed.

    The ability of large-scale middlers to exploit stupid BMs, which was exemplified in college baskets, helped lead to to the implementation of the current sportsbook Order in Vegas. In my next post, I'll explain why clueless empty suits were the perfect choice as BMs for the new Order in Vegas.


  • #2
    somebody give Reno the name of a good publisher, this is quality stuff!

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    • #3
      RENO,
      As much as one lone gambler can follow
      your post I have. This site has advanced
      me light years and I soak up everything,
      The last 2 years the only profit I have
      shown was thru middles or scalps. As a
      gambler I am ashamed I can not pick
      winners better. The last ffew weeks for
      followers have been brutial. Any advice?

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      • #4
        This is brilliant stuff! I used to love the Wisweguy series at Oddswiz and this is just like it!

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        • #5
          randyrohm,

          I wish I could give out more specific information in this forum, but if I did so, all of the BMs would get educated real fast.
          In fact, to illustrate the power of this forum, consider the impact of a seemingly innocuous observation that I posted a few weeks ago. I had noted that the Stardust now makes a better opening line in baseball than CRIS. This was based on my observation that more often than not the CRIS line tends to move toward the Dust line rather than the other way around, which used to be the case.
          Well, after I posted my observation, the Don Best sportsbooks who used to post their opening lines immediately after CRIS did now wait until the Stardust opens before putting their lines up.

          Furthermore, two offshore sportsbooks that I play with have cut my limits because of my posts.

          Anyway, I want the offshore books to win against other players in general. If all the players knew what I know and did what I did, the sportsbooks would all go out of business. Ignorant and undisciplined bettors are the life-blood of this business. They make money for both the bookies and the wiseguy bettors.

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          • #6
            Reno - I am responding to your statement "Anyway, I want the offshore books to win against other players in general. If all the players knew what I know and did what I did, the sportsbook would go out of business." That was very interesting. There is no doubt that you'd been around in sports betting. It sounded like you do this for living. What puzzled me is why do you want the offshore books to win against other players? Granting that you are a professional gambler which there is no doubt from the way you talked, why dont you SHARE what you know and tell us what you did? Then we could really say RENO is the guy.

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            • #7
              underdog

              A lot of people have to lose for some of us to win. If everyone or even a lot of people won the books would not be able to show a profit and pay their staff and investors. All the books would close down and we'd all have to find some other way of spending our time.

              I don't blame Reno for holding his cards close to his chest. I personally have put thousands of hours of my time into sports betting and I'm sure he has too. By not telling everyone what he knows he's protecting his investment.

              'mute

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              • #8
                Underdog,

                He has a point. A bookie that is not gambling himself is a broker.

                On a balanced book he takes money from the losers, gives it to the winners, and charges the winners a fee for the service, in a nutshell.

                If everybody won, no betting.

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                • #9
                  wintermute & AussieVamp2 - since we all worked with MIS then I had to agree. I have so much respect with programmers. Let me guess though, wintermute (Fortran), AussieVamp2 (c++).

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                  • #10
                    C++?

                    Yeah, dabbled in that a bit

                    Fortran, not for 12 years or so.......

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                    • #11
                      You name it, I've used it - mostly mainframe stuff though - PL/1, COBOL, Fortran.

                      'mute

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                      • #12
                        just to throw in my 2 cents. reno has candidly admitted he has learned lots from others. shouldn't he pass on that info so others can learn from him. not necessarily here, for obvious reasons.

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                        • #13
                          Thank you parlay. At least someone finally understood where I was coming from.

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                          • #14
                            Nothing comes easy.Unfortunately,the average sportsbettor would like everything layed out for him in black and white.The magic formula.The secrets to winning,etc.etc.You'd do better buying a lottery ticket.

                            I'm sure Reno has helped many along the way,just as many have helped him.

                            What people have to realize is,Reno didn't obtain this knowledge overnight.It's a lifetime of learning.

                            Speaking from personal experience,it took me 20 years to obtain the knowledge that I have,and I still pick the brains of sharp guys whenever I get the chance.

                            If you go back and re read some of the posts,you'll find that he's already planted a seed for some.Take that and build from it.

                            There's more answers than most could imagine,hiding all over this site for that matter.

                            Be thankful for what people like Reno are willing to divulge,and figure out how to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

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                            • #15
                              Find it amusing that some people would like reno to "expose" his insights. There are few, if any, sources of equity that could last if more than a small per centage of the players knew about them. The stock market is an open system where wealth can be created for everyone, the betting markets are not. If Reno would tell all, not only would he be hurting himself; but it is unlikely that anyone else, besides the bookmakers, would benefit to any great degree. The important point is that there are still small windows of opportunity left for those who are insightful and industrious. Why do you think they are called "wise guys" anyway.

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