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    This is What Happened to Me at Carib...
    Now i know all about how carib has been a long time sponsor in here, and how they have a good rep in this industry, so my situation really surprised me and i would like the opinions of the BW readers on what you think....here goes....

    i won a contest through BW sometime on 2002 (not exactly sure) and my prize was an account at carib. now i use 6 or 7 other books to play through, and i dont use my carib account very often because the prize i won wasnt that much $$. well, anyway, i have a co-worker who has an interest in the rest of the NFL playoffs and wanted to get some action. he wanted to just play something through me in one of my books, but i didnt want to risk taking a large hit (in my account at whichever book we used), or hassle with getting his payout if he were to win. i suggested that he get his own account and that sounded like a good idea to him, except that he asked if i could do the research as to what book to post up with since he knows almost nothing about the industry.

    after checking on the particular line he was interested in at several books, i found carib to have the best number so i called carib's customer service dept to inquire about what would be needed to get a friend set up there. i spoke at length with a very friendly and courteous person. i was asked for MY name and account number as well (which i could only assume was for the referral purposes). i asked multiple times before concluding the conversation about what bonuses the NEW account would get, AND what i would be getting as a referral. i proceeded to assist my friend in getting posted up and he was credited with what they promised him.

    i went into my account the next day to find a memo from carib telling me that since i had not placed a wager since november 2002, that i was not an "active" member and therefore i was not entitled to any referral bonus. my carib account does have available funds, and even after thoroughly reading all the rules, bonus info, etc, i was unable to find any definition for what "active" means.

    it is not so much the amount that i should have coming for the referral, as much as the deceit, and the way i have been treated that has me highly pissed off! WHY in the hell did they want my name and account # if they werent checking me/my account out ??? and AFTER that WHY wasnt i told that i wasnt going to be entitled to a referral bonus? and on top of that, after i question why i have not gotten my referral, i get a memo again from them saying that i was a contest winner from BW and i never actually deposited any $$ with them. all true, but WTF does that have to do with anything??? i again must be missing that part under the rules section on their website that shows what is required to get a referral.

    i told them that i would also be forwarding a copy of my initial email to brian here at BW in hopes it might be resolved before i felt the need to post it in a forum. it isnt alot of money that i am talking about here, it is that bait-switch scam feeling that i get when i think about it that drives me to solicit the opinions of the members of this forum. has anyone else encountered similar problems while trying to collect on a bonus or perk they were promised? am i wrong to expect a referral because i brought a new player on board and i am "just" a contest winner? or am i wrong to expect a referral bonus when i have not made a wager in 6 or 7 weeks?? how do they know if i was in a coma in uganda or something? they either need to be clearer in their rules, or tell customer service to be HONEST when talking to customers!!!!

    i am anxious to hear what the crowd at BW would do if they were me.

  • #2
    since you never made a deposit with carib i would say you are not entilted to a referral bonus,you have had funds in your account since november but have not made any bets??? either bet or cash out,why the hell would you leave funds in your account that long if your not going to play? you won a contest and now you want another bonus without ever making a deposit,i say you are wrong

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    • #3
      yes, i made bets...just not since nov. as i have much more $$ in several other books and this account just isnt one of the first few i would go into when i play. but what should that have to do with the fact that i brought a customer on board? and my biggest problem with this is why didnt they tell me this when i was on the phone getting all details? they could have told me about the "hidden, secret" rules and i would have politley went elsewhere if i chose to. but i thank you for your opinion...and i will probably go by what the majority think is the right thing.

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      • #4
        Nov 2002 was only six weeks ago.

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        • #5
          sportshobby-
          dont need to be a math major for this one....

          nov 30th-dec 6th
          dec 7th-dec 13th
          dec 14th-dec 20th
          dec 21st-dec 27th
          dec 28th-jan 3rd
          jan 4th-jan 10th
          jan 11th-jan 17th

          if you need any further assistance with charting weeks/dates/months/years just ask bro!

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          • #6
            h.a. - OK, I just guestimated it without looking at the calendar. But that doesn't seem like enough time to be called "inactive".

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            • #7
              i agree sportshobby....my point exactly...and then they came back with a follow-up that since i was "only" a contest winner that i was not entitled to any bonuses. it is really very easy to avoid a similar situation in the future, carib should POST THE RULES !!!!!! tell everyone that contest winners get nothing and that xxx amount of days without placing a wager makes your account inactive!! i guess i didnt have my secret decoder ring tuned in to the proper secret frequency to know this!!

              bottom line is this....CARIB is losing face with the shoddy mis-handling of my situation and also with what they did to Ricker (see bookies hell forum). a once impeccable reputation is getting multiple black eyes over some piss poor customer service that wouldnt have really cost them hardly anything!

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              • #8
                I had...

                I had a VERY similair thing happen to me at Carib last year, though I didn't post it on this board at the time so you'll just have to take my work for it. Here's the deal:

                At the time I was using PayPal to fund and withdraw from my Carib account. When they put up a notice that Paypal would no longer be accepted, I messaged them asking what my other options were, and basically told them I didn't trust PrePaidATM and since they charge $20 for a Neteller withdraw, I wasn't going to be able to afford to play with them any more if those were the only 2 options. I got a VERY friendly response back saying that even though officially they were stopping all use of PayPal at midnight the following evening, I would still be able to use Paypal until they informed me otherwise. I thought this was very kind of them, something I certainly did not expect.
                Well, now the story gets very similair to Hart Attack's, except I think possibly worse. The following night, I made some winning bets, and at about 2AM I tried to make a withdrawl via Paypal. I was promptly informed that "All paypal transactions ceased to be accepted at midnight of that night". Ok, I thought, no big deal, this guy doesn't know the deal I had. So I tell him. I get a response back from the same person who said I could continue with Paypal. This is what it said:

                "You were told that you could continue using Paypal after the deadline until further notice. This is your notice that we will no longer be able to accept PayPal transactions as of 12:00AM this morning." How unbelievable is that? So I had to pay $20 to withdraw via Neteller, and I haven't played with Carib since and I never plan to again. They lied to me so I wouldn't withdraw my full account before the deadline, and I believe they in fact had no intention of allowing me to use PayPal past the deadline, they just flat lied so I wouldn't empty my account. I should have posted this earlier. Signs of a crooked operation.

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                • #9
                  how many more will step forward? carib is losing face by the hour!


                  you gotta have the faith & trust of the betting public and you are losing it carib!!!!!!!

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                  • #10
                    This kind of thing has been going on at Carib for years.
                    For some unknown reason they get petty once in a while.
                    They also have the attitude that if you don't like it, go somewhere else. They will pay you 50,000 bucks and then stiff you for 50. They are amazing.

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                    • #11
                      this is the first negative i have heard re: carib...too bad and, on the heels of this their site was down over the weekend...bad timing

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                      • #12
                        While I don't have my own experience to share here, I would have to say you either go by the rules or you don't. If Carib bends the rules to honor this complaint (the original one in the thread) then they will be contacted by everyone who expects the rules to be bent for them. If it is "only" $50, then it is "only" $50 and neither party should be too concerned.

                        It is disturbing that their customer service isn't more concerned with their customer's opinions.....but if that's the case then everyone has a choice to go somewhere else!

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                        • #13
                          blowfish,
                          what rule are they bending if they pay me the $50 referral i have coming to me?

                          have you access to some "secret" files at carib that i dont??? please direct me to the part of their website that says/explains contest prize born accounts cannot recieve a referral bonus for bringing a cash customer on board. does one need to be related to Kreskin to know when their carib account is deemed "inactive"?

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                          • #14
                            I think, at some point, the books may stop sponsoring contests all-together.

                            Not necessarily talking about this site but, it seems there are always bookkeeping issues, delays in payments, mis-understandings and hard feelings.

                            Even the InterTops contest here had the language "active player" in the rules before someone discovered that was too ambiguious.

                            It seems that they should list the rules, make them specific and stick by them. It just sets up a situation where anyone who complains is looked at as "petty" for writing about a couple hundred dollars, non-appreciative of the opportunity to win some free money and inconsiderate for asking that results be posted in a timely manner. (all totally false)

                            In this case, I have no idea why Carib wouldn't just honor the referral bonus since there is no language to the contrary printed in any rules. They have already suffered just from the fact that this thread exists and it's not a case of "bending the rules."

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                            • #15
                              hart attack:

                              I can relate to what you're saying. If I were you, I'd be pissed off too. What's the difference where a post up customer comes from? IMO you should get the $50 even if your account was zeroed out and you hadn't played there in a year. I mean after all they did get the customer as a direct result of your action. I don't get it, really I don't.

                              If I told them, I'd bring them 5 $500 post up players each for $50, I'll bet they'd agree to pay me $250 whether I had an account or not. Makes no sense not to pay someone who brings you a customer.

                              ricker is pissed off over a lousy $23 - it's customer relations nightmare. Like the fallout from that hasn't cost them more than $23 of goodwill.

                              There was a $100 horse parlay player who got into dispute with them over payouts when a horse scratched. He got once price for along time and then without notice they dropped the price. BW mediated and he got paid what he was used to getting, but then Carib booted him. What kind of amicable resolution is that?

                              Here's the deal - I think Carib is under pressure to acquire customers and that pressure spills over into other areas. All this comes from the top guy, who might do better watching the bottom line and letting someone else do customer service. Of course you can't give the store away either and maybe he felt that was done in the past. I don't know - I'm just guessing.

                              My comments are as a post up customer of theirs that played there for years - very low maintenance bettor, small potatoes. I loved their software - I think it is one of the best around. You can attach an "if" bet after making the wager. The other shops make you pick both wagers at the same time, so if you decide 10 minutes or an hour later, Carib is no problem, while other shops it's too bad. I zeroed out my account this NFL season and never reloaded.

                              The trouble is that pissing someone off over chump change ($23 & $50) has a negative impact that goes way beyond the amount of money in question. It's foolish from a customer relations perspective and I doubt $73 has a big impact on the bottom line, but as we all know - posts like this turn potential customers off. It's a shame because I really believe that Carib is a good, solid out. It's just someone there has a temper and I think that is driving these poor decisons.

                              bill777 - I leave my money in books after NFL is over . . . . I may take a stab here and there at a few things, but not much. I don't see the point in making the book cash me out only to send the money back when NFL starts again.

                              I have contest $ I won 3 years ago still at Margarita (they changed their name - it escapes me now). I've rolled it over twice I guess and since they aren't online (only phone), I hardly ever play there. Cashing out would just add expense to the book's side of the deal and since I trust the books I am playing at, I don't see the sense in cashing out every year after NFL ends.

                              My "moderator" title is strictly for booting touts and I don't speak for Bettors World - just from my experience and what I've seen.

                              If Carib would lean the customer's way on these small and insignificant disputes, they would be one of the top five books in my opinion.
                              As Always - Good Luck,

                              Sonny

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