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  • Post your limits, please!

    There are many great sportsbooks that post their limits, both large and small. And then there are those just refuse to tell you how much you can wager. I believe that this latter policy is designed to give them several added edges and increase their profits.

    This is similar to dealing different sets of odds to different customers, in order to increase their profits. Players with a winning profile will get lower limits; and if they are generally ahead of moves then the limits will be lowered further. Furthermore, the player in many cases has to state his play BEFORE he is told the limit. So the sportsbook gets to see all the facts, including which side the player wants and how their sportsbook's lines compare to others, before the player is told the limit. This, along with stalling and putting the player on hold (to observe line movement on the screen prior to taking the wager) really mounts up to significant increase in the house advantage.

    But there is another really negative effect of this policy (not to post wagering limits): it wastes of a lot of time and energy for both the player and the sportsbook.

    Here's the scenario: Sportsbook XYZ advertises that they are solid, great, dependable, etc and Joe Schmo is looking for a place to play. Now Joe likes to play more than a few hundred per game, and also bets totals; so he often has to play more than one sportsbook to get the amount he wants to wager. So if XYZ Sportsbook only takes $250 as a maximum wager, then it would be a waste of his time. So he asks, "what are your limits?" to which the sportsbook replies "it depends, give us a try." Joe goes through all the hassle of signing up, filling out forms, sending in money, learning the rules, etc and tries to make is first wager, and it goes through for $500. After a couple more wagers he is "profiled" as having the possibility of winning, so his limiit is cut to $200.

    So Joe calls in and asks about the limits, and he is told that he is a sharp player and should call in his bets for a higher limit. How much? It depends. So Joe calls and asks for his play and for the amount that he can play. The clerk is of course not authorized to determine the limit, that has to come from the "trading floor". So Joe is put on hold or transferred to a supervisor, who often has to check with someone else, to decide what is the limiit. By this time Joe could have made the same play at two other places and been on down the road. Now Joe realizes that he has wasted not only his time, but the time and money of XYZ Sportsbook, so he withdraws his money and moves on.

    What's the moral of the story? Post your danged limits! Sure, you may sometimes allow a higher wager in some situations if the book can use it to balance action. Sure, there will be "circled" games in which the limit is smaller for various reasons. But Joe Schmo knows (a) if it is worth his trouble to try and play at your place, and (b) when he calls or punches in his play he knows what bet amount he can expect.

    This situation is not from a recent thread or directed at any one sportsbook - there are unfortunately several that fit this description.
    Last edited by sportshobby; 03-14-2002, 10:54 AM.

  • #2
    . . . so everyone agrees?

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    • #3
      Whoops, missed this post first time around.

      Of course the situation you're describing is lousy, sportshobby. Limits are one of the standard things that players look for when opening an account at a book. If you can't get a specific answer on what a sportsbook's limits are then any smart player should go somewhere else in my opinion.

      As I mentioned in another thread, giving the sportbook the ability to vary your limits puts you at a serious disadvantage: it means that the sportsbook can put a cap on how much you can win whereas you can lose as much as possible.

      I must say, it doesn't look good on the forum to have no response to issues like this. As long as sportsbooks know customers will continue to tolerate their crappy policies then expecting them to change is just empty wishful thinking.

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      • #4
        Just to play devils advocate, wouldn't taking away the ability to change limits on a player lead us to more Aces Gold type problems?

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        • #5
          Well sure, take away any policy that is less beneficial for a sportsbook and it is more likely that they will fail. But tolerating an unfair policy to give the book a better chance of surviving isn't a very useful way to make the industry a safe one.

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          • #6
            I guess it depends who you are. If you are a guy looking for a safe place to play you should probably be glad that they limit how much a sharp guy can win. Don't most players fit into the regular guy category?

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            • #7
              That's true. If I expected to lose my money anyway and didn't care that I had a fair shot at winning then I would choose safety over fairness when shopping for a sportsbook. But luckily there are books available that have an excellent record for both these qualities.

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              • #8
                Czech, Do you know max. wagers for college hoops and foots, both sides and totals at WSEX. They have min. posted, but not max. Thanks.

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                • #9
                  I was disappointed not to find wager limits posted at the WSEX site, except for teasers and parlays. However, I don't think anyone will have a problem with their limits. I have played there for at least five years, and have decent limits on straight wagers. Totals are a bit limited at $500, but I can wager several dimes on just about any straight side in professional U.S. sports.

                  Their online setup is a good one, in that the player can decide whether to wager one limit (say, one dime) automatically or choose to have an approval requested for a larger one (typically up to five dimes). The approval request is automatically entered by the software, and usually completed within 30 seconds.

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                  • #10
                    I do have an account at WSEX but don't play college sports so can't help you there, sorry. If they don't post there limits then I am surprised but from their reputation I doubt that they vary their internet limits for different players.

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                    • #11
                      I agree that it would be helpful for limits to be posted on books websites.

                      Sure there are exceptions to every rule/limit but I would have to imagine the majority of a books players would fit into one limit category.

                      Sharp players also have to learn not to be greedy.

                      If a book posts a 3 dime limit on NBA sides for example, the sharp has to learn not to play the limit at that book......he'll have a longer life at the book and won't have to deal with getting his limits chopped or worse, thrown out.

                      Take some of the wager at that book and the rest elsewhere if possible.

                      You've got to play the game.............

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                      • #12
                        But when the limit is screwed down to $300-500, it's not reasonable to play less at this and ten other books to get your wager down.

                        I'm just saying tell me up front that you are this kind of sportsbook, and I won't waste time for either of us.

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                        • #13
                          Very true about the 300-500 limits. Can't go much lower than that.

                          The player shouldn't have to go thru all the trouble of getting an account set up, sending funds, only to be told after a few wagers that you can only play nickels or less.

                          But then maybe the player should be upfront with the book before posting up as well.

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