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  • Alladin........the way it is!

    There has been much speculation over the past 2 months with regards to Alladinsgold, my character, other sportsbooks, and in general the present conditions and future of the industry. Today I speak to you the only way I have ever known, the way it is! Just so you understand who I am, it is important to go back to the very begining of this company. I was asked to set this book up from scratch for an investor who had a major position in a usenet portal which claimed to have lots of traffic. Upon setting this book up the operators of the portal never seemed to get it right and the traffic never came. With money invested, staff hired and no clients, I suggested that we introduce the book to a few players. It all started quite good but slowly turned sour. At such time when the first payouts required the investors claimed a shortage of funds. So that you must know I could have walked then, but I didn't! I went to the bank and decided to throw some money at it. My intention was very simply to rebuild a business that would be sellable so that I could retrieve monies already tied up and to return the original investors their capital as well. With a few out standing months we were almost there, but the client base was still wasn't.

    I chose to advertize on Bettorsworld and Major Wager taking the advice of Reno who suggested that this might be an avenue to get clients. At first all went well and we grew based on recommendations and players confidence in me..........an asset I once enjoyed. Today there has been so much speculation and I have read into comments regarding my character and others regarding business principles. Many posters have argued that books are playing with clients money or as they say dipping into clients accounts. I cannot speak for others but i would bet my bottom dollar that very few if any actually set aside all of your monies in an actual account. If they did that, it may not necessarily be the smartest move. Some, as in my case, may invest in the markets, others may have fixed deposits etc. Without looking for a scapegoat, 9-11 hurt me just as much as any other. I never cried or complained , I just moved on. Everyone claims " it's our money" and in fact it is. But yesterday it was and today it is still yours plus a bit of ours. When that scenario happens too often then a problem starts to arise. What is the sportsbook to do, close because they have had a few losing nights or even weeks? Most will ride it out.

    Now many have claimed that they are still awaiting payment from Alladin and they will get it. Today as everyday we send out payments to clients........some who have complained all along and some who have waited since their original request. The point being that whether clients call a hundred times or once, they are being paid! I expect my situation will be somewhat surpressed for at least another 3 weeks. I have been assured of this! My phones have never rung so often in the past. There are clients who have called my cell phone incessantly. Again you are not achieving anything except frustrating the both of us. I am quiet aware of who I owe and when. My biggest fault in here is to promise payment to persons expecting others to deliver on their promises of assisting me. I have been let down so many times during this whole charade. The difference here is that I have personal assets that will certainly cover my debt, unfortunately you don't simply turn them into immediate cash. To date I have upheaved the lives of monority partners in my other businesses, forcing their sales TO PAY YOU! Again I could simply pack up shop and walk.

    Many of you are screaming for the other books to save the industry. You can scream until your lungs burn up, it will never happen. In fact many of these institutions already have your business and need not take on additional debt. Some are already in pretty bad shape themselves. Some I am ashamed to admit would like to see the smaller books go down. Short memories I would say because they have forgotten their own beginnings. In my case I am aware that some of these shops have called up mutual clients and encouraged them to write letters to the Directorate of Offshore Gaming and demanding they shut down Alladin. Another shop has written a letter asking them to wind up this company. I know who these folks are and it is sad to say that at one time or another I have come to their assistance. Again, short memories, for the people you pass on the way up are same ones you pass on the way down! I can only tell you that if this were to happen then the only ones to lose would be you the players. In fact I would save myself all of the monies I intend to reinvest in your settlements. In fact I have cooperated with the Directorate and they have monitored my settlements throughout.

    I have made a number of attempts to other sportsbooks to purchase Alladin........even offering to give cash to anyone willing to assume the debt and continue trading. They have all turned it down. So what I am saying is that no one wants you guys! The bottom line is at least for a few more weeks you are stuck with me and we're just going to have to dance. I have made the necessary changes and allegiances that will assure Alladin a less sophisticated customer base. Many of you have criticised my attempts to drum up new business. So I ask you, how am I to pay you if I am not allowed the opportunity to bring in new business. Perhaps upon your criticisms I should just shut this company down and everyone suffers. If you have no confidence in Alladin then don't send money there. I can assure you many of the now very large firms have been where I am today. I have got confidence in myself, the will and the rescources to pull this one through. I have been advised countless times to close the doors and walk away and I won't do so voluntarily.

    For those of you looking for a mystical savior good luck. The only saviors of the industry are yourselves. I say this because the failings here are a lack of patience, too much greed and your lack of understanding of the industry upon which you thrive. Lack of patience because you want to be paid immediately especially after you have just beaten the hell out of XYZ sportsbook, and not allowing them the opportunity to recover. If so then stay well away from the smaller shops that cannot afford you. Greed because you are looking for a free juice or .5 point deal and or bonuses. Some of you may not be able to get down enough so you need a few beards. In the case of sportsbooks betting, they are not happy with the amount of action they have attracted in their own shops by moving the number, so they want more. I can't tell you how many sportsbooks accounts we have uncovered in here. Your lack of understanding of the industry because you all assume the bookmakers are simply raking in tons of money. You never stopped to think of their investments in advertizing that was money down the drain, or the sindicate that cost you hundreds of thousands in credit card charge backs, or the customer that sent you 50k in fraudlent checks, or the number that fell on a game because you tried to achieve ballanced action. If you assess your own betting habits and at the end of the day the result is a positive then you are a liability to a sportsbook. I can only guess that 95% of you in this forum falls in that category.

    I have tried to paint you the picture as best as I can. There is no smooth talk here or colorful rhetoric to get your sympathy. It is the way it is. I spoke with a client yesterday and he suggested that if I got through this I would really look good. I told him not if, but when! The pressures of weeks gone by on my staff has caused at least one to be admitted for medical attention. Nigel is truly unable to perform at his best, and many are very concerned for me. I have carried a monkey on my back for some time now and in fact some days it is tough to encourage them to keep faith. Alladin may be down and out, but I am not. It is the way it is!

    Regards

    Eddie

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    Eddie, thanks post posting candidly on the situation. Although ive never spoken with you directly about my situation i have spoken
    with nigel and another person who's name escapes me every 3 or
    4 days about my money request. I have a rather large balancewith you guys in comparasin to what I'm used to having in accounts and while i'm in no way part of any syndicate or whatever I did sign up and play because you were known for somewhat different lines than others and i took advantage of such and after losing for a long time and depositing over and over again i hit a good run and started winning. I agree it does no body any good for an aggrevated player to call an aggravated employee or owner every 10 minutes demanding money, but I must admit this money means alot to me and is causing alot of sleepless nights as well. perhaps keeping touch with players on an individual basis as to what the latest on their status is would be a less stressfull way of contact right now.

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    • #3
      i meant to say keeping touch by email

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      • #4
        My patience with offshore bullshit diminishes everyday. The above doesn't do anything to reverse that trend. If I had the time and interest I would dissect the above into more consumable bullshit, but I don't.

        So here's just "a snack"

        Eddie wrote:I chose to advertize on Bettorsworld and Major Wager taking the advice of Reno who suggested that this might be an avenue to get clients.

        So this means that prior to Aladdin, Eddie didn't know that Bettorsworld & Major Wager would be an advertising venue. But wait, didn't Eddie run Premiere League? Wasn't Premiere League aware of advertising venues? In fact, didn't Premire League advertise on Bettorsworld Or Major Wager?

        Eddie wrote:. If you assess your own betting habits and at the end of the day the result is a positive then you are a liability to a sportsbook. I can only guess that 95% of you in this forum falls in that category.

        How touching and complimentary. Eddie's assuming that 95% of us are winning players. Of course if that was true, I guess he should have really ignored Reno's advice above shouldn't he. But then again, let's not forget Reno's part in all this too. Forever ingrained in my memory are the infamous Eddie's a great guy, deep pockets and the many supporting comments made by Reno when Aladdin was in it's INFANCY. Gee Reno, didn't you get a bit nervous making those staements to us and at the same time having to advise Eddie that it would be a good idea to advertise at Bettorsworld and MajorWager as an avenue to get clients. What bullshit! Let me recommend a mechanic for you Reno.........
        Reno,..... Bob here is a great mechanic, knows everything about cars................ (and after Reno walks away) Ok Bob, first you need to disconnect the battery and then.....................

        I won't even get into the rest of Ediies' post, which contain some pretty outrageous justifications.

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        • #5
          CRW,

          You make more sense when you're angry. STAY MAD.

          Ps. Reno sold the used car.

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          • #6
            I applaud Eddie for posting his frank situation here. I have been seeking an update to the situation, and am relieved to read any information at all (even if it is not good).

            Here is my advice: To retain credibility, the sportsbook must implement some regular payments to those with outstanding requests. No one in their right mind would turn down the offer of having, say, 5% of their money returned each month on a regular basis (knowing your current situation).

            If the regular payments to those with outstanding requests cannot be honored, then the business should not continued. Under thoseconditions, it would not be honorable to continue taking in deposits from new and current customers.
            Last edited by sportshobby; 03-11-2002, 10:05 AM.

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            • #7
              Amazingly, Alladins is still sending out advertising emails - received one a couple of days ago. Apparently this guy assumes that there are many potential customers that do not know of their no-pays. This is absolutely outrageous. Luring people in with no intention of paying, or at least without the means to pay is stealing, plain and simple.

              The posting by Alladins made me cringe with revulsion. A winning player wants his money?! Well, as a matter of fact, yes!! This is apparently too much to ask. After this posting by Alladins, it does not matter to me if they reestablish financial stability (once all players are paid). Anyone that thinks like this will never again be entrusted with a dime of my money, and I had a good chunk with them as late as November of last year.
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              • #8
                5% of their money returned each month on a regular basis (knowing your current situation).
                Is that what the offshore biz has come to, hoping for 5% of YOUR MONEY per month???????? No offense Sportshobby but that is simply unacceptable.

                How many times have we heard that Eddie's family owns half of Antigua? I think it is time for them to bail Eddie out so he can pay his bills and keep him away from the sportsbook business.

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                • #9
                  Last edited by sportshobby; 03-11-2002, 10:02 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Underdog, I don't disagree with you. But for those with their money tied up at Alladin's Gold (especially this year), they are looking at the prospects of losing it all. Any plan to get paid, even over time, would be a big relief.

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                    • #11
                      email solicitations

                      I got the same email solicitation, and so wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt, I wrote back:

                      ********************************
                      Where are you licenced? For how long?

                      Bonded? Insured?

                      As Always - Good Luck,

                      Sonny
                      ********************************

                      No answer after 4 days.

                      Does this type of "service' build credibility? No, it undermines it greatly.

                      I hope Eddie turns it around and that the players get paid, but I wouldn't post up, especially in light of the fact my emails don't get a response.
                      As Always - Good Luck,

                      Sonny

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                      • #12
                        In just 5 minutes

                        Strange when this is my question:

                        Can I sign up by phone instead of the Internet?

                        I get this response in 5 MINUTES FLAT :

                        Hi

                        You can choose which ever option suits you best. If you want to sign up over the telephone please call 1-888-ALLADIN and one of our operators will help you.

                        If you sign up here, you're a fool. That's the way it is - Alladin!
                        As Always - Good Luck,

                        Sonny

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                        • #13
                          Eddie, I have never met or talked to you but it seems like you are an honest guy for coming in here to tell your side of the story. But I have to say that some of your thinknig in regards to running a sportsbook is just outrageous.

                          The reason you are in debt is because you accepted bets that you didn't have money for in case that they lost. That was a huge mistake and directly led to the position you are in now. Just for that reason, because I have so much other choice in the industry that has no record of being in your position, I will never trust you with my money.

                          But look at what you are asking us to do: allow you to make this same mistake again by soliciting more business and taking the IDENTICAL risk that contributed to your current plight!!

                          Can I ask you this: what if you are successful in attracting some new business which then makes additional bets with you that you will lose ... what will you do then? According to your current thinking, your solution would be to get more business. Do you see where I am going here?

                          I really think you need to take a step back to look objectively at the contradiction in your desire to attract more business. For reasons I have outlined in another thread, I believe you should only have one shot in this industry to run an honest business. You've had yours already ... pay your customers and get out.

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                          • #14
                            Well Eddie, I must say that your stock is dropping considerably by not replying to the issues raised by your post. It sure looks like the only reason you posted is to fish for some compliments for being honest and when they didn't come you weren't interested anymore.

                            Can you explain to the forum why you decided to use your clients postup money to bankroll your operations? And why you intend to do it again by soliciting new business?

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