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  • The Definition of UNPROFESSIONAL

    M-W a website that flatly accuses bworld of stealing with no facts or close to substantiate when in reality we led a crusade to collect thousands of dollars for a charity type fund.
    when a poster loyal to the website tells (russ) there was nothing of the sort, the post remains without any retraction. the post in fact remains to this day.
    other unprovoked posts remain on the same site and then the claim is how busy they are when in actuality our FSM web site garners more traffic.

    c*a*m*e*l*o*t is book we would NEVER recommend under current management.in fact will be considered for the clink and for good reason. run by a former tout service owner who threatens anyone in his path, this childish and UNPROFESSIONAL approach of doing business bodes well for the half-wits that have been fooled into believing that if they kiss enough mark del a--s--s and never question him that there money is safe. questions arise and mark del does not like the questions. every 4-letter word in the book is used to berate the player.
    IS THIS WHERE YOU WANT YO PLAY? i think not.


    Bettorsworld, speaking as the top authority in the sportsbook world and mandated by the public to be their watchdog says DO NOT PLAY AT c*a*m*e*l*o*t when you can play at so many books with REAL businessmen running the operation. these are QUALITY operations. PROFESSIONAL operations.

    It has also become clear that the posting room probably has been bought out by DEL who leads his half-wits around by the ring in their noses. whats happening however is the group of people in the know are exposing him for what he is. and that ain't good.
    i believe this book could be heading for THE CLINK

    the devil is the last one of the group. in their continuing fall from grace, it is his thief partner russ who will be the demise of this crooked operation. the devil knows this is trouble with the operation. russ is best to simply just shut up.

    they sank to an all-time low when an effort by bworld and many of its current books raised thousands for a good cause.

    we were then FALSELY accused of taking money we never saw. a popular poster confirmed our intentions were good but no retraction was made. the sportsbooks such as post time, wwts and others who generously donated to this fund should be outraged at the attempt to discredit this operation.

    russ hawkins, who purportedly stole in excess of 100k and left vegas never to be seen again is on the board of SECURESUXX.
    what an example of the fox guarding the hen house. do you want a thief on the board of a place handling your money? does a sportsbook want to trust this thief with a penny of their money? the del lackeys will risk their savings because they think it is cool. or the ring in their nose has tightened. but bettorsworld will guard its players against such ludicrous business attempts.
    i am sure this is why the only books signing up are those in cahoots with m--w and c---a--m--e--l--o--t.

    fred is the last one in this minor network of thugs and thieves. he has at least a semblance of business smarts but he lets his thief friend russ run amuck and russ is quickly destroying what little business they get. and that business is with mark del.


    so as you can see we feel these people are thieves, thugs and extortionists in the opinion of Bettorsworld.

    We will be unrelenting in our quest for knowledge in the connections between these groups.

    if only they could act professionally. with people like russ and del that appeaars impossible.

    bg :rolleyes:

    [ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: bgeorgia ]

    [ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: bgeorgia ]
    Now THIS is UNPROFESSIONAL

    [ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: bgeorgia ]
    THE CLINK

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  • #2
    Why not file a slander/defamation suit against ** then?

    I've heard other things about Russ other than what you posted that is...

    I thought ** said they had a interest in SecureSuxx? Like a partial ownership? Is that not true?

    And you're right he will lead to the downfall of that site as he's a jackass.
    [url="http://www.bettorstalk.com"]bettorstalk.com[/url]

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    • #3
      The definition of "UNPROFESSIONAL" is people who don't capitalize their "i's" when they type. But that's just my opinion.

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      • #4
        each day we gather more "stuff" and none of it is good for the player or the books that buy into their charade.

        if this industry is going to be successful they better continue the trend of staying away from people like russ hawkins-BOARD MEMBER- of SECURESUXX.

        that is the most ludicrous thing i have EVER heard!

        consider this.

        why does SECURESUXX promote themselves on
        m--w ONLY?
        a new start up company parks their sorry asses at that place?
        thats a recipe for a quick downfall if i ever saw one. all you ever hear over there is "we have more books coming on board"
        that story has been floating around for months. results? NONE. except for the books that most likely have a piece of securesuxx they have no one.

        thats because the equation goes something like this.

        crooks+thieves+wannabeethugs+questionable books = SECURESUXX.

        somehow, it just don't add up.

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        • #5
          It is becoming a concern of some the accusations that are bantered about. There are a bunch of half truths posted and the readers and followers are left not knowing who to believe.

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          • #6
            believe this:
            1) in 6 years NEVER has bettorsworld EVER met a more UNPROFESSIONAL sportsbook than c--a--m--e--l--o--t.

            2) russ hawkins owes an individual approx 100k and has no intentions of paying.

            3) SECURESUXX is a m--w failing brainFARTchild.

            4) russ hawkins (a thief) is actually on the board of SECURESUXX. this is a bank that will control anyone's money who is stupid enough to use it instead of paypal or neteller. russ hawkins in control of YOUR MONEY! insanity!!! or as they would say LMAO.

            5) mark del of c--a--m--e--l--o--t will most likely threaten any player who crosses his path. if you are inclined to play at this sorry place i suggest you write off whatever you post up. their motto should read "its your money or your life".

            i hope we have made clear certain issues that might have been confusing to you.

            brian

            [ 11-01-2001: Message edited by: bgeorgia ]

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            • #7
              Bgeorgia

              I am confused. Your boss Jeff said in another thread ******* pays, why would I write off my post-up money?

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              • #8
                1) no bosses here.......we are co-owners.

                2) The statement was that by all accounts they pay. They are a BRAND new book with absolutely no track record past a few months.

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                • #9
                  B Tex-

                  I guess my confusion comes from-- Cascade and Grand Central are great books that I have used and highly recommend.

                  I have heard a lot of things about ************* but I have not heard anything bad about their paying practices. I think the questions that these guys have is with the owner or general manager or linemaker at that book ( who I think used to be a prolific poster here). Is this close to accurate?

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                  • #10
                    ******* ********** **

                    What use is censorship (blanking stuff out, deleting posts, banning posters etc) on a forum proclaiming to be a watchdog? If we cannot see what is the point of all the watching?

                    It must be very easy to bash a sportsbook when you remove their right to reply. And that to me, and I guess many observers, seems very UNPROFESSIONAL.

                    As for track records who the ********** are bodog? Up until 6 months ago they also did not exist.

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                    • #11
                      bookiebar,

                      your answer is simple. we ban posters (RARELY) when they come here only in an effort to promote freely an operation that does not advertise here or we feel would gain exposure at the expense of our paying clients.

                      we delete posts that are not appropriate in the eyes on bettorsworld although agin this is rarely done.

                      the visitors have proclaimed us a watcchdog and the BEST on the NET despite anither website admitidly "stuffing" the ballot box when all bworld did was say "IF you believe we are the best watchdog site in the industry please vote. as an aside not we also ranked extremely high for "sports information" category too.

                      we ban posters (again BLOWN WAY OUT OF PROPORTION)only when we feel the individual is a negative force looking to bring down the good work done on this site.

                      in closing, let me say it is a sad day in the offshore induustry when we have to waste time on books we consider not worthy of the time we do spend on them.

                      we let the books on bworld flourish and keep the questionable ones out. being a book that pays is only 1 criteria. how long they will pay and other serious questions are concerns also. finally, the stability of an owner is paramount. or should i say, lack of stability.

                      brian

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                      • #12
                        IMHO, the posts should be kept to discussions of offshore sportsbooks, and not of other watchdog sites. :rolleyes:

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                        • #13
                          "we ban posters (RARELY)"

                          Brian,
                          Do you really believe ANYone is buying this?

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                          • #14
                            I'm sorry Brian, but I've tried hard to understand why you feel it necessary to go on and on regarding your argument with ** or their owner. In fact, I've made supportive comments in the past about the Mark Del issue etc. BUT, I feel it necessary to say (from the perspective of an outsider) that these posts of yours are just plain "ugly". They are reactionary, they portray you as mean spirited,........and frankly, more than a bit unprofessional. I guess either you don't care how it looks or nobody has told it to you this way, I don't know. I don't think I'm going out on a limb here by stating that very few of us either care or really understand your argument with them. I don't post over there, because of the level of "silliness" that exists there, among many other reasons. Please don't let this place go down that route because of your personal arguments with them. And I'm sorry, it really is just a personal thing, at this point.

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                            • #15
                              boots,

                              i don't care what anybody believes. those are the simple facts. now, keep in mind we have been penetrated constantly by people whose only intention was to do anything but offer content to the posting room or ask questions with the intent of getting an honest answer from bworld. then move on.
                              this however was not the case many times and we would not and will not allow our forum to turn into a place to solve world peace or bash bworld. there is a mistaken notion on the internet that it is freedom of speech and that site owners have no right to operate their business as they see fit.
                              we have been told for 4 years we are losing it, going down the crapper etc..the reality is in each of the last siz years INCLUDING this one, our traffic has risen. this year single day traffic records were broken.
                              so once again boots, my concern is that we supply a forum WITHOUT the garbage that you see on m--w. you want "ugly? do a search over at the island for "brian" or "bettorsworld". THAT my friend is mean spirited and UGLY and LIES.

                              "if you are confused as to what i mean simply search for bettorsworld or brian and see what you get. isn't it interesting that you come here and question what is a clean forum for the most part and you same people never question a forum that tells horrible lies about bettorsworld and me personally.
                              these same people whose favorite post is "LMAO" were sent a challenge to send in $1 apiece to help the unfortunate victims of the trade towers. after all, if they could attempt to discredit the work we did and accuse me of stealing monies i NEVER even saw, certainly they can afford 1 dollar.
                              they gave no reply.

                              as far as mark del, call it whatever you want. i think you best send mark del an email about professionalism and not preach to me. he is the one who needs the lesson. he is the one who threatens. he is the one who demands.
                              bettorsworld feels it is imperative to at least make the public aware of whom they are dealing with if they so choose to deal with c---a---m.....


                              thank you for your comments.

                              bg

                              [ 11-04-2001: Message edited by: bgeorgia ]

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