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**Boots** · 07-06-2001, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by REALITY:
BOOTS,
THIS CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS.

THE NEXT RESPONSE YOU WILL GET FROM ME IS WHEN YOU REACH 500 POSTS.

I take it your word isn't very good, ta boot.

**Curious** · 07-06-2001, 04:46 PM

All this post proves is that Reality shills for ALL his buddies and/or former employers (not just CRIS), which means his opinion carries very little weight with those who see through his tired routine.

**REALITY** · 07-06-2001, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by Curious:

All this post proves is that Reality shills for ALL his buddies and/or former employers (not just CRIS), which means his opinion carries very little weight with those who see through his tired routine.

CURIOUS,

MY REPUTATION AND MY WORD IS NOT FOR SALE TO ANYBODY.

NOT EVEN MY FRIENDS AS THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE FROM ANOTHER FORUM SHOULD DEMONSTRATE.

WHEN I ENDORSE A BOOK IT IS FROM PERSONAL FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE OF THE BOOK OR IT'S PRINCIPAL.

IT IS A COURTESY TO THOSE SEEKING AN OUT WHERE YOU WILL NEVER HEAR NO PAY OR SLOW PAY.

I DONT SAY MENTION REALITY AND GET AN EXTRA 5% BONUS ON YOUR DEPOSIT AND BECOME PART OF AN AFFILIATE PROGRAM FOR REALITY.

I PUT MY REPUTATION ON THE LINE WHEN I ENDORSE A BOOK FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PLAYER LOOKING FOR A REPUTABLE BOOK WHERE THE WORDS "NO PAY" AND "SLOW PAY" DONT EXIST.

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THESE WORDS ASSOCIATED WITH C.R.I.S.,OLYMPIC,AND CASABLANACA?

I HAVEN'T.

Author Topic: THE REALITY OF FRANK ROSENTHAL...
REALITY
Officer
Posts: 1463
Registered: Jul 2000
posted 05-04-2001 03:51 PM
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ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION YOU HAVE SEEN ME POST ABOUT MY FRIENDS.

I LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT ALTHOUGH CERTAIN POSTERS DON'T LIKE ME PERSONALLY THEY DO RESPECT MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE GAME BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THEY RESPECT MY INTEGRITY.

MY INTEGRITY IS NOT FOR SALE,NOT EVEN FOR MY FRIENDS.

I MIGHT FALL ON MY SWORD FOR A FRIEND PERSONALLY BUT NEVER AT THE EXPENSE OF MY HONOR AND INTEGRITY.

FRANK ROSENTHAL IS A DEAR FRIEND OF MINE.

A DEMANDING, PERFECTIONIST WHO AT TIMES CAN BE TOUGH TO GET ALONG WITH, BELIEVE ME.

MOST GIFTED INDIVIDUALS ARE.

BEING THE PUBLIC FIGURE HE IS AND HIS ASSOCIATION WITH GAMBLING, HE IS THE SUBJECT OF MANY RUMORS AND SOME JUST OUTRIGHT MALICIOUS ATTACKS.

I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH HIM AND I AM HERE TO CLEAR THE AIR AND PRESENT THE REALITY OF FRANK ROSENTHAL IN REGARDS TO SOME ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE REMARKS POSTED ABOUT HIM IN THIS FORUM.

FOR THOSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH FRANK ROSENTHAL, THIS IS WHO FRANK ROSENTHAL IS AS DESCRIBED BY NICHOLAS PILEGGI THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK WHICH THE MOVIE "CASINO" WAS BASED ON:

For much of his professional life, the Chicago-born and casino-bred, Rosenthal has been the country's top handicapper. He was one of a handful of men who literally set the line for thousands of bookmakers from coast to coast.

During the 1970's, and early eighties, Rosenthal ran four Las Vegas casinos simultaneously, including the world famous Stardust Hotel and Casino.Rosenthal is also credited with creating the first Race & Sportsbook (Parlor) in Las Vegas. Despite resistance from the traditional casino bosses, who believed exclusively in terms of table games, Rosenthal had spent decades in and around the sports world to know that it could be the motherlode of casino betting.He created a space-age theater-like Race and Sportsbook at the Stardust Hotel & Casino that was copied by every casino on the strip

THE CHARACTER "ACE ROTHSTEIN" AS PORTRAYED BY ROBERT DINERO WAS BASED ON FRANK'S LIFE.

I WILL FIRST ADDRESS THE FALSE COMMENTS MADE BY VARIOUS POSTERS HERE AND THEN CLOSE WITH A BRIEF COMMENT ON FRANK ROSENTHAL.

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Originally posted by Bookiebar:
Is this Las Vegas ledgend really the "Greatest living expert on sports gambling" ?

"Is Frank Rosenthal really a legend? Most assuredly" "An oddsmaker with few peers"
- LAS VEGAS REVIEW JOURNAL

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scott Landau:

[B]Is Frank still active on the handicapping end of the business? Is he studying the card everyday and making the selections himself? Or are clients paying 300 a month for Joe Bagadonut's picks and 3700 for a celebrity name?

LIKE I SAID BEFORE I WONT THROW MY INTEGRITY UNDER THE BUS FOR ANYONE,EVEN MY FRIEND FRANK, BUT YOU CAN GO TO THE BANK ON THIS.

FRANK DOES ALL HIS OWN HANDICAPPING AND JUDGING FROM MY FRIENDS IN THE BUSINESS AND LAST YEAR'S FOOTBALL RESULTS HE STILL DOES IT VERY WELL.

FRANK ROSENTHAL IS UP AT THE CRACK OF DAWN EACH DAY AND IS STILL SHARP AS A TACK IN HIS APPROACH TO EVERYTHING HE DOES IN HIS LIFE .

HE HAS TOO MUCH PRIDE IN HIMSELF TO ASSOCIATE HIS NAME WITH PICKS THAT ARE NOT HIS OWN.

HE IS REGULARLY SOLICITED TO ASSOCIATE HIMSELF WITH VARIOUS TOUT SERVICES.

INVITATIONS WHICH HE REGULARLY TURNS DOWN.

HOW DOES HIS HANDICAPPING SERVICE DO?

THESE ARE FROM POSTERS HERE AT MAJORWAGER.

YOU CAN DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSION.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lootmeister:
[B]

I can say however that I've indeed seen a documented record of F.R.'s and yes, he does win.

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Originally posted by BettingProphets:
surprised nobody has brought this figure up yet.

right from his site www.frankrosenthal.com here is FRANKS VIP service which I know for a fact finished 58.4% in football last year.

Tycoon Boulevard
$100,000

Tycoon Boulevard Starts Here.

Very Limited Membership!

Person to Person
Closed for season on
April 4, 2001

VIP Member Consideration.
[email protected]

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REGARDING THE REDICULOUS NOTION THAT FRANK ROSENTHAL HAS A PARTNER AND THE MORE REDICULOUS NOTION THAT HE WOULD SHILL FOR SOME SCAMDICAPPERS.

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Originally posted by Fishhead:
Kyhawk, who is a poster here at MW and doing quite nicely in the baseball contest I might add,is a very close associate to Frank R.

WELL MR.KYHAWK SHOULD GIVE FRANK A CALL BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE WHO HE IS.

The two of them now live in Florida and make a damn good side living doing various gambling activities.

THEY MAY BOTH LIVE IN FLORIDA AND THEY MAY BOTH BE MAKING A GOOD LIVING BUT IT IS EXCLUSIVE OF EACH OTHER.

THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS TOGETHER REGARDING THE ABOVE STATEMENT.

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HERE IS YOU PROOF THAT THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS TOGETHER FROM KYHAWK HIMSELF:

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Originally posted by kyhawk:
Frank is retired and is strictly as shill for the Mike Warren group.

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THE ABOVE STATEMENT THAT FRANK ROSENTHAL IS A SHILL FOR THE MIKE WARREN GROUP IS ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE.

I WAS EMBARASSED TO ASK THE QUESTION, BUT I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO POST HERE THAT THE DENIAL OF THAT ACCUSATION CAME STRAIGHT FROM FRANK ROSENTHAL'S MOUTH.

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Originally posted by MarkDel:
Kyhawk,

Is Rosenthal shilling for Mike Warren or his brother "Jim Hurley"? I thought it was Hurley, but you're telling me it's Warren? The two are no longer together.

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AS PREVIOUSLY STATED FRANK ROSENTHAL DOES HIS OWN HANDICAPPING,IS IN BUSINESS FOR HIMSELF AND IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM IS ASSOCIATED WITH MIKE WARREN OR HIS BROTHER "JIM HURLEY".

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Originally posted by MarkDel:
Fletcher,

I was also a bit surprised when I heard that a guy with the prestige of Rosenthal would associate himself with the lowest levels of the tout business, but I would imagine that Mike L. offered him a VAST sum of money.

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MARKDEL,NOW YOU HAVE THE PICTURE.

IF YOU KNEW FRANK ROSENTHAL AND THE TREMENDOUS PRIDE HE HAS IN HIMSELF YOU WOULD NEVER BELIEVE THESE UNFOUNDED ALLEGATIONS THAT ARE CIRCULATING.

IN CLOSING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY FRANK ROSENTHAL IS TRULY WORTHY OF THE TITTLE "LIVING LEGEND".

HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN LAS VEGAS ARE UNPARALLELED.

NONE OTHER THAN BOB MARTIN HIMSELF,IF HE WERE STILL ALIVE WOULD ATTEST TO THE SHEER TALENT AND DETERMINATION THAT FRANK ROSENTHAL BROUGHT TO THE OFFICE EVERYDAY.

BOB CATCHING WHEN FRANK WAS PITCHING.

BEING IN THE PRESENCE OF FRANK ROSENTHAL WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE WORLD OF PROFESSIONAL BOOMAKING IS LIKE BEING WITH THE POPE WHEN HE SPEAKS "EX-CATHEDRA."

FOR THOSE NOT RELIGOUS,"EX-CATHEDRA" I BELIEVE MEANS FROM "THE CHAIR OF PETER" AND IT IS DOGMA.

WHEN FRANK ROSENTHAL TALKS ABOUT THE ART OF BOOKMAKING,IT IS BOOKMAKING DOGMA.

IN CLOSING I HOPE THIS SETS THE RECORD STRAIGHT REGARDING CERTAIN ALLEGATIONS MADE HERE REGARDING THE MAN KNOWN AS "THE LEGEND" FRANK ROSENTHAL.

REALITY

[ 07-06-2001: Message edited by: REALITY ]

**Boots** · 07-06-2001, 07:28 PM

REALITY,
I remember you running away when on RX when your integrity was challenged. You post under an alias. You have no reputation to risk. You can run away at anytime and never be heard from again.

I will say this, you're one helluva musician. Nobody can toot their own horn like you.

**REALITY** · 07-06-2001, 07:41 PM

BOOTS,

WE BOTH KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS HERE.

YOUR AGENDA IS APPARENT AND THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG.

I DIDN'T RUN FROM THE RX.,I CHOSE NOT TO RUIN A FORUM ENGAGING A CRAZY POSTER IN A FLAME WAR.

I'M GLAD YOU LIKE MY MUSIC SO I AM GOING TO REPRISE MY LAST SONG FOR YOU,LIKE THE GENTLEMAN I TRIED TO BE WHEN I LAST SANG THIS TUNE FOR YOU:

Originally posted by REALITY:

DAVE,

I'M A GENTLEMAN.

THIS IS MY LAST POST IN REGARDS TO THIS SO I AM GOING TO POST IT LIKE A GENTLEMAN.

I'M TRULY SORRY THIS DIDN'T WORK OUT FOR ALL PARTIES CONCERNED.

THE PERSON I'M TRULY MOST SORRY FOR IS YOUR FRIEND WHO I DONT EVEN KNOW,DUE TO HIS PERSONAL SITUATION.

DONT SAY I SHILLED FOR MY FRIEND BECAUSE I DIDN'T.

I WAS MERELY AN OUTSIDER WHO DEFENDED YOUR COMPANY BECAUSE I KNEW THE B.M.FROM WAY BACK WHEN.

I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE DOWN AND OUT AND I WAS PULLING FOR HIM AND THE COMPANY BECAUSE I ALWAYS LIKE UNDERDOG STORIES WITH HAPPY ENDINGS.

I NEVER INTENDED TO GET INVOLVED WITH POSTING REGARDING THIS SITUATION.

IN FACT I WAS IN POSTING RETIREMENT.

THE TACTICS YOU USED IN REGARDS TO THIS SITUATION WERE DEPLORABLE.

YOU HAVE A BEEF WITH AN INDIVIDUAL IT IS WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL AND THAT INDIVIDUAL ALONE.

YOU DONT SEEK TO HARM OR INVOLVE HIS FAMILY OR FRIENDS TO GAIN YOUR POUND OF FLESH OR SATISFACTION.

I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE HARD FEELINGS BY ALL INVOLVED HERE.

IT IS AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION TO SAY THE LEAST.

SOME GUY TEX IN THE RX.KNOWS THE DETAILS OF THIS SITUATION AND IS TELLING THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY.

THE SIDE THAT ISN'T MAKING YOU LOOK TOO GOOD.

IN CLOSING I WISH ALL PARTIES INVOLVED THE BEST OF LUCK IN ALL THEIR FUTURE PURSUITS.

ESPECIALLY YOUR FRIEND BECAUSE OF HIS SITUATION.

IF IT'S TRUE THAT TIME HEALS ALL WOUNDS I SINCERELY HOPE ALL THE INJURED PARTIES HERE MEND QUICKLY AND THAT IN TIME YOU WILL ALL GREATLY PROSPER AND LOOK BACK AT THIS EXPERIENCE AS A TEMPORARY DETOUR TO YOUR ULTIMATE SUCCESS.

REALITY

**Boots** · 07-06-2001, 08:06 PM

Dude,
Send me some of that weed, man. With the way you change the subject, I don't think I can follow along without it.

**REALITY** · 07-07-2001, 12:58 AM

OH YES YOU CAN!

"THESE BOOTS WERE MADE FOR WALKING"

AS SUNG BY NANCY SINATRA.

JUST FOLLOW THE BOUNCING BALL...

YOU KEEP LYING!

WHEN YOU OUGHT TO BE TRUTHING!

ARE YOU READY,BOOTS!

START WALKING!

BUH-BYE!

REALITY

P.S.

YOUR WALKING PAPERS HAVE ARRIVED:

Originally posted by reno:

Boots, where do you get your bogus info?
I was playing with Option before CRIS took them over, and after the transition my account figure remained the same without any qualifications. From my perspective, the transition was transparent, and I applaud CRIS for possibly saving me from getting stiffed and for preserving the fantatic 5-cent Option baseball line.

AsS far as I know, ABC has merged with Looselines, which just moved from Belize
to Curcao.

[ 07-07-2001: Message edited by: REALITY ]

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