Stole My Money

[grantt]

playersonly ripped me off I would stay clear of these guys. I placed a wager on the US Open Golf that won and they called it a loss.They then refuse to produce the proper information to rectify the situation. I hate to do this but I see this as my only recourse as they are being very unfair. I have asked them on numerous occasions to show the document and they produced an unrelated document three times. Crooks!!!

[Bman66]

Let's have some details so we can decide for ourselves.


Bman66

[grantt]

I placed a bet on Saturday June 16/01
on the US Open Golf
Future Wager 06/16/01 02:38 ET
20.00/360.00 Result: Wager Lost
US Open - Odds to Win
Field (All Others) Lose 18-1
At the time I made the wager there was a list of players and what the odds were should that player win IE.
Woods 6-1
Cink 12-1 etc
and the field bet meaning any players not on this list winning would pay 18-1
Goosen was not on the list at that time making it a winning bet. Here in lies the problem. When they post (confirm) your wager they only show tht you made a field bet that would pay 18-1 should you win but it does not show you who is and who is not include on this list. That's okay too though. As you know Goosen won and they posted my wager as a loss. I contacted them several times and asked for them to email me the information on the wager I placed. You know the one placed on Saturday with the 18-1 field bet see 100% proof of this up top. All they will send me is what this wager was changed to later in the day. This
> Angel Cabrera 50-1
> Bernhard Langer 50-1
> Chris DiMarco 60-1
> Colin Montgomerie 50-1
> Darren Clarke 45-1
> David Duval 9-2
> David Toms 60-1
> Davis Love III 30-1
> Ernie Els 150-1
> Field (All Others) 10-1
> JL Lewis 30-1
> Jeff Maggert 60-1
> Kirk Triplett 70-1
> Mark Brooks 10-1
> Matt Gogel 60-1
> Paul Azinger 50-1
> Phil Mickelson 6-1
> Retief Goosen 12-1
> Rocco Mediate 50-1
> Scott Verplank 60-1
> Sergio Garcia 3-1
> Stewart Cink 15-1
> Thomas Bjorn 30-1
> Tiger Woods 6-1
> Tom Lehman 120-1
> Vijay Singh 75-1

as you can see the field bet (10-1)is different as are many of the players on this list and there odds at the time when I wagerd when the field bet was paying 18-1. If they can produce this list they can surely produce the list I am requesting showing who is on the 18-1 field bet list. If they would produce this it could be solved in a heartbeat, but they refuse to claiming this was Saturdays posted odds and as you can see earlier in the day they obviously were not. I know there odds are manually changed and I must have got in under the wire but they still need to honour there bets don't they. I will gladly answer any more on this that I can.

[BILLYBETTERBETTOR]

Sounds like you have a good case here. Maybe OSGA can help you. Good Luck.

[LP7SLIP]

I am not going against you but thinking like a book I would have to say after Friday's round Goosen would have had to of been listed as one of those players that weren't included in the field.... He was -3 there is no way a book would post a line on the too win tournament and not have the leader on there.

I hope you work things out but I just don't see Goosen not being on that list

[grantt]

Although I did place my wager on Saturday I think I might of been able to place my wager using Fridays line. Like I said when I requested the information regarding my wager they sent me the list I posted above stating that that was Saturdays golf line. I know that is not absolutley true because I have a date and time stamped wager from Saturday that shows quite a different line. They will not produce this line sheet for me that has the date and time stamp of my wager. They will only send me the Saturday revised line which They know and I know is not the line I wagered on.

[TEN DOLLAR YO]

HOW CAN OSGA HELP YOU? THEY ARE A NASA SHILL OR MAYBE EVEN OWNED BY NASA.


TDY

[grantt]

I'm not expecting the OPA, OSGA, IGC or any other of the many watch dogs out there to be able to take any real action against Players Only. The online casino industry is 100% unregulated and governed over by no one and no association. What they can do is prominently post these dishonest casinos on there sites for there many daily visotors to see. I know that most of these sites accept money to advertise on them and that all of them at one time or another has recommended a
casinos that later turned out to be less than favorable. But hey I look at it two ways if they can recommend a site and it still goes sideways they ought to have some strength in blacklisting a site and have it go sideways faster. This way no more people get ripped of here. The more people that see it the better

[The Guesser]

Since All Starnets have the same lines, and there are so many of them, I find it strange that this would be the only complaint on any of the forums for what would have been a common bet. It seems to me that the player might have missed Goosen in the Line up, or something, because I cannot believe he would still be in the "Field" after 2 days and his standing at that time. Something doesn't add up

[grantt]

The guesser I wish you were right about the common bet thing it could be solved instantly. For if it was a common bet as you seem to think it is I will ask all who made this 18-1 field wager on the US Open to please post it. If your theory is correct but I don't think it will be unfortunatley we should have posting coming out of the wood work on this. It would be great if someone could verify this. I would especial appreciate it if Players Only would do it. Also this info is listed on at least 10 other forums and has been seen by well over 1000 people so far and I have yet to see one. I have seen the 10-1 line the only one Players Only will show me and I have seen a 12-1 line which someone else showed me. The 10-1 line and the 12-1 line where quite different from each other just like the 18-1 line will be quite different from these two. Oh yeah I saw the 60-1 line as well.

[grantt]

Here is the latest unacceptable responce from Jeff Players Only
"Well, unfortunatly, we will agree to disagree then. I am 100% confident in our stance on this issue, and i know that i will be able to sleep well coming to this decision.
"I appeal to you to try to understand, and if that doesn't work, well, such is life. I do apologize for the incovenience and misunderstandings though. "

Where's the documentation I have repeatedly requested. Where's the we are unable to provide this info to you because ...

No it's just screw you I have your money and will be using it for a pillow and sleeping well tonight.

[Railbird]

They made a serious fopah.how much did you bet?these guys goofed up,but like you say their is no regulation,in Vegas the gaming commission would make them pay,ask for half or something.

[grantt]

Railbird The wager pays $360 not a big deal. It's just the fact that you make a field bet with them and they are unable to tell you who the field consists of. I have now had this verified by Players Only in their responce to Vegas Lobby looking into this for me. They are unable to show who my 18-1 field wager consisted of but they are somehow able to say I lost with great certainty. ????

[The Guesser]

Grantt, Grantt, Grantt, they showed you at the other place that Goosen was a SEPERATE betting proposition in bets made an hour and again a few minutes before your "Field" bet, so he could not have possibly been back in the "field" for your bet at 2AM. You misread the screen, you lost $20, move on, unless you have another agenda. :eek:

[The Guesser]

[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: The Guesser ]