YES, they are the enemy!

[sportshobby]

That's a little scary to think about a big, reputable offshore book having to borrow money to pay the winners.

[REALITY]

Originally posted by sportshobby:

That's a little scary to think about a big, reputable offshore book having to borrow money to pay the winners.

IT IS AN ABSOLUTE,INDISPUTABLE FACT.

MANY OF THEM ON THE DON BEST.

WHAT IS NOT SCARY ABOUT IT IS MOST HAVE THE PERSONAL ASSETS TO COVER WHATEVER THEY BORROW...

LIKE I SAID BEFORE,THEY SHOW YOU,THE PLAYER, THE BIGGEST HONOR AND INTEGRITY A PLAYER CAN ASK FOR, AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IT.

REALITY

[chestrockwells]

Reality,
Ok. I can accept all that. And I guess I won't be naive enough to wander how they can pottentially get in the hole "that much" when they have our post up money to begin with. Especially since I'm assuming that you're also referring to the outfits that have "credit accts". But I stand by my initial point. These businesses can take care of themselves, they don't need us to watch out for them. 99% of bettors are going to lose, in the short or long term. So assuming that everything else is in order, they know they're going to make money. It's just a question of time, there's not some great mystery behind it.
Sportshobby,
Actually what Reality says should somewhat reassure people. Big businesses go under sometimes. How many owners of big businesses risk their personal wealth or undertake personal loans just to pay off their debtors?? Not many.

[lillihammer]

chestrockwells, ( not chestwellrocks, oops )

maybe i was missing your point. i have since carefully read your original post and will reply to that.

if my bank offers me 5% cash-back and a 1% reduction on my mortgage, all other things being equal, i take it. my only hesitation might be wondering if i overlooked something, but if i haven't i will take it. they are part of the deal and if they want to give me a break of any kind that is their choice. this is the situation THEY are willing to create for whatever reason and it benefits me to take advantage of it.

if my book, a large off-shore operation run like a fortune-500 company, offers me a 15% bonus and a free 20% parlay card to do something i want to do i am going to take it. the standards for me earning this bonus are laid out -- wager one to five times my original deposit and maybe my bonus and my parlay card winnings also and it is mine. once i complete the deal -- a fair deal -- i take the money. i don't see a difference.

giving out bonuses, free parlays, free accounts, referral bonuses are things i am being offered as a player. i will play every advantage given to me.

taking advantage? how does one take advantage of a competently run organization that has named its own terms? it can't be done.

[This message has been edited by lillihammer (edited 05-04-2001).]

[REALITY]

Originally posted by chestrockwells:

Reality,

Ok. I can accept all that. And I guess I won't be naive enough to wander how they can pottentially get in the hole "that much" when they have our post up money to begin with. Especially since I'm assuming that you're also referring to the outfits that have "credit accts".

I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE SPECIFIC.

THE BIG CREDIT HOUSES AND THE BIG POST UP HOUSES ON OCASSION HAVE CASH FLOW PROBLEMS AND HAVE TO DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO INSURE THAT "PAYMENT ON DEMAND" IS A GIVEN AND NOT JUST A MARKETING SLOGAN.

MOST DEFINITELY THE BIG CREDIT HOUSES MORE OFTEN THAN THE BIG POST UP HOUSES.

Actually what Reality says should somewhat reassure people. Big businesses go under sometimes. How many owners of big businesses risk their personal wealth or undertake personal loans just to pay off their debtors?? Not many.

AN OUTSTANDING POINT WHICH GOES RIGHT TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER REGARDING THE GREAT HONOR AND INTEGRITY BY THE "GREATS" IN THIS BUSINESS WHO HAVE MADE THE OFF-SHORE BUSINESS WHAT IT IS TODAY...

REALITY

[chestrockwells]

Lillihammer,
I agree, and like I had earlier mentioned, it's a personal decision as to what promotions we avail ourselves of. Unfortunately often times when we ask a sportsbook that perhaps we're not too familiar with, the specifics of a particular deal.......we come off a bit like calculating opportunists. Recently I was looking for another out and I can't tell you how many times I was put on hold as different books checked on something as simple as how many times the deposit and bonus had to be played over. Basic stuff that obviously very few potential potential customers actually ask, I guess.

[scott]

The player has the opportunity to show character or pass on the integrity issue. The book has no such luxory. They MUST pay.

Use a sharp line & proof it before opening up. Use sharp employees(pay for them) especially supervisors. If a mistake gets through pay it. So what! If the mistake goes down keep the money..Scotty

[Frank]

While we are talking about wrong lines, what about the books that deal two different sets of lines. They are obviously giving the squares a raw deal. They may deal a baseball side 15-20 cents higher than they are actually using or a basketball or football line a point or two higher. These are the same books that cry when someone sharp bets a game that is 15-20 cents or a point or two off.

Some books are honest with their customers, some aren't and its the same way with players. It all depends how much integrity each book or player has.

[chuckz]

AM i missing something here? you get a line from the book and you can bet it or go somewhere else? i don't see where the book is being unfair.

chuckz

[ray]

If you want to make another argument on this kind of "bad line" sh!t, at least get a better example.

-200 to -260 for a baseball line, an overnight line?

What is the take back for the -260 line?

Geez, anyone will offer you more than +230 for it?

Can you give me a real example that any books had canceled the bet with 40 cents varies line in a -260 odds?

In baseball?

Please tell me the name of the agme and books.

Given that you are not a rookie in sportsbetting, you should know what is common sense, you should know wtf is an obvious error and wtf is line variation in different books.

And yes, there will be always grey area, but look at all the cases that we had discussed in this forum before, how many time that when the bettors has rational on his side and not won the dispute?

e.g. still remember the soccer bets on sportsbook.com?

But on the other hand, how many times that we have seen in those disputes that the bettors had rational/common sense on his side?

Take a search and review, see how many times you think they deserved to get their money/winning back while they didn't.

Its not about whats right and whats wrong and what kind of relationship you are having with the bookies.

Fvck it, its all about the money, its a game and its all about the rules.

The fvcking rules are not perfect, just like the laws of our society, it will never be perfect.

When you can see the evidences/facts that many times bettors had been screwed under this fvcking rules.

It will be changed.

Not by you or me, by the facts.

Until then, you can just keep betting on those bad lines, take advantages of those grey areas, or whatever the fvck you want to call them. But at the same time, you should also know that you are taking chances, cause you are not protected by the rules of the game.

Don't like it, play with Intheknow then until the rules will be changed, last time I remember, he is the only bookies willing to publicly said that he will honor all the bets, error/bad lines or not.

Enemy? what a fvcking naive word in gambling, the books will love to be your enemy. If you see them as your enemy, that means you will have a greater motivation to fight back, aka they will have a better chance to get your reload after you lost your ass.

I think Hartley told the truth, "bookies are not his enemies", at least I believe Itops is not.

So, save your time making your Schindler's List, spend it on your capping, or if you prefer, on "bad line hunting" and calculate your risk.

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