WARNING: Horizon Sports steals

[Bailey]

I am very tired of offshore sportsbooks finding reason after reason to either cancel bets or not pay players. This is bull****.

I do not direct this post specifically to Horizon Sports, whom I have never used, but to all books. Stop the non-payment and bet cancellations. It is totally out of hand.

Take the action, pay up.

[The Guesser]

NASA stiffed a Beard 500 K (100%) after taking bets from him while knowing/thinking he was a beard. They are rightfully blasted by just about everyone in Forums Land.
Horizon stiffed a Beard 6 K (1.5%) after taking bets from him for 6 months knowing/thinking he was a beard. Some are defending Horizon and lauding them for paying MOST of what they should. Seems to me that the Principle is the same, just the amount stiffed is different. But there IS an amount stiffed in both cases.

[Bookiebar]

Originally posted by REALITY:


THAT IS ALL THEY WANTED TO KNOW BECAUSE HORIZION SPORTS IS ABOUT TO RECEIVE SOME NEW PLAYERS COURTESY OF MR.SCOTTIELP'S POST.

This was exactly what I meant by a sick publicity stunt.

As they say all publicity is good publicity. What better way to anounce to all the whales out their they will get paid if they win (minus a small "bonus").




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[Underdog7]

Somone sends us flyers, letters or whatever you call it with different bonuses for the reason of attracting new customers. We as players have different reasons of trying a new shop depending on our needs of course and Horizon Sports is one of the shops that just doesn't quit sending me one. I am thinking of becoming one of their new clients not until I read this post. Here is what confuses me most. If Horizon was able to pay this guy 500K and has been a customer for six months now (which I think he is wayyyyyy eligible for the bonus) why risk 6k for REPUTATION?

[bucky]

Bookiebar
I agree with you. The same as with Player A wins 250 dimes on a 5 dollar 15 team parlay. Publicity Stunt.
Getting the truth out of these forums is difficult. The things here that do not make sense are!

Banks will wire 150K in one transaction?

No mention of other transactions. How much did the player send in? Sounds a lot like 67 dimes.

Again banks do this? They will wire 67 dimes in one shot? They act like it is a federal offense to wire more than 10.
More so than anything else in this industry that is needed is documentation.
I question why we should believe any of this. We have no way to view the bank records of either party.

Can't fathom a reason why the player would want everybody to know the income situation unless it was not true. But, then why would Horizon participate unless they thought it would be good PR to act like they could pay out that kind of money or they are using this method to scare away wiseguys.

However, we are probably only getting about half the truth so how can you carry on much of a discussion without 100% of all the facts.



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[bucky]

To win 400 dimes you would have to bet 5 dimes a pop and win 60% of the plays. Thats 500 plays necessary in 6 months. 300 win for 1,500,000 and 200 lose for 1,100,000.

Thats 80 plays a month or 20 per week and about 3 a day. Even at 10 dimes a pop that is averaging 10 plays a week. And it took six months to figure out this was a wiseguy playing?

[sportshobby]

REALITY, how long would have taken you to figure out if this guy was really the big mover that Horizon claims, and won the amount that they claim? Six months?

Get real!

[sportshobby]

There's a no-brainer, honorable way for sportsbooks to limit their exposure to players they think are wise guys, money movers, syndicates, or whatever: LIMITS. If you're scared of winners, just reduce your limits. If you see a player you're really afraid might win, reduce their limits to less than others. But for goodness sakes don't come in here six months later and decide to confiscate his winnings.

[Dragon]

Now both Horizons belong in the CLINK!

[ScottieLP]

Now that everyone knows that Horizon Sports can make up some bullshit excuse to steal a players money, and the socalled Watchdogs will find a way to say its OK, I want to make a few things clear.

1) Since you let the *****s at Horizon post my name, in case anyone from the IRS reading this crap cares, I didn't win nearly as much as they claim. I got that much in payouts over a six month period -- after reupping a couple of times. In fact, the match-play bonus I won was on the second depoist I made. (I blew the first.)

2) This "beard" crap is an elaborate smokescreen. I gave these crooks almost 1,000 bets over a six month period. Then some bookie tells them they "know" where I get my picks? Did some other bookie tell them I was a Jim Fiest customer for the first two months of the season? Well, I was. But as soon as I got a better service and start winning -- well, actually, four months later! -- they come up with an excuse to steal my money. You can't handle someone picking more teaser and parlay winners than losers, fine. I'll find somewhere else to bet. But don't tell me six months later that little match play bet I won is now null and void. Leave that to the supposed bad guys like NASA.

3) I and my corporation have contributed more to charity than most of these bookies have ever seen in their life. I can live without the $6700, believe me. But if I'm going to make a contribution to the Red Cross I'LL DECIDE, not some stinking thief in Costa Rica. And by the way, I'll believe these liars made the contribution in my name with my money when I get some sort of acknowledgement from the Red Cross down there. More likely to be spent on whores and drugs.

4) So when NASA stole all that money if they would have given it to charity you would have been OK with that? Stealing is stealing, and don't let these *****s with their Major excuses tell you otherwise. Bonus, post-up doesn't matter. Now I'm just thrilled that they sent me most of my balance, since there are socalled watchdogs that could come up with excuses why it would be OK to steal whatever the book could somehow justify. Whatever. At least people who were thinking about sending money will think twice.

5) If this crap continues, you'll see the end of the so-called offshore betting business, no matter how much people make up excuses for how its OK to rob somebody's money. After this, I for one am all for Federal Regulation of this crooked industry.

[Jeff K]

Well, I don't think Scottie is a "beard". Would a "beard" come in here and complain? Do "beards" play parlays and teasers? Sounds to me like a "square" that got lucky. He was kept on the books for 6 months because he lost for the first few months. I vote for Scottie.

[MarkDel]

Jeff K.

What you're saying is very logical...why in the hell would a mover come on to these forums and bring so much attention to himself for only 6-7 dimes...it just didn't make any sense to me. But everyone, and I do mean everyone, that I've talked to from Vegas or offshore who woould KNOW, tells me he is in fact a mover. This is not just the guys at Horizon, or Reality, or the Devil, etc...this is guys who do not post on these forums and they KNOW this guy's name right away and they tell me he's a mover for sure. If he is, I would doubt his employer will be too happy with him over this publicity stunt.

While it doesn't make sense to me either, it is apparently the truth. Personally, I think Horizon should have paid him the extra six dimes, but I see their point as well.

[Chillin-the-Most]

A lot of these guys get to keep any bonus they receive. For instance, if a syndicate decides to give a beard some money to post up at a particular out that he has apprised them of, the deal is usually X percent of the win and any bonus you receive on your post up. I think this could explain why the bonus is so important to him.
Then again, who knows, maybe he is just a guy getting picks from a service which just so happens to get the computer plays before the screen. I have seen it advertised, but I have never seen it work.
Rich

[Dragon]

He's a mover. Ooooooooooooh! Run for the hills! Take cover! Pleeeeease!. Reality says what Reality says because he's a bm. Others say what they say because they have no choice. I don't think I have seen one player say he shouldn't be paid. Let's face it. This guy played for 6 damn months! Why let him play for 6 months? I could see if they told him after a week, but 6 months? What could they have possibly been waiting for? Hell, this guy isn't even a bonus beater. All he did was bet, and win. Like the other guy said, put a limit on the guy if you're so afraid of him.

[sportshobby]

Once you say that it's OK to stiff this player or that player because he's a certain type of player, I think you have become a stiff. If you want to pick and choose which players you allow (although I think it is an unfair policy), go ahead and do so. But don't take plays for six months and then decide to confiscate some of his money.

If you want to put all sorts of stipulations on bonuses, write that into your policy. In fact, don't even credit the account with the bonus until the player has met all your conditions.

This situation reduces the credibility of the whole offshore sportsbook industry.