Gore May Win Florida!

[Jeff K]

Palm Beach did a hand count of 1% of the ballots, and Gore picked up 19 votes. At that rate he may pick up 1900 votes, because they are now going to do a hand count for all the ballots. Bush won't be able to stop the full count, because it's all legal. A re-vote may not even be necessary.

On a side note, Floridians living in Isreal, requested 4000 absentee ballots. How many have been returned, remains to be seen.

[Cons]

Gore is really pissing me off with his inability to accept defeat graciously. Him and his running mate are bad losers, it's as simple as that.

If Gore gets a few more votes in some counties as a result of a recount, Bush can do the same in others and gain extra as well. Gore and Lieberman have already made the US the laughing stock of the world, that's how patriotic they are. Even my friend who's entire family are democrats has said he will never vote for them again.

On a side note, what odds are currently available for the election?

[garrow]

Im not a nazi or commie so voting for the repubs or dems is not a option.Your vote dont count and never will Do you really have the blind faith its recorded right please.The people that run the country arent on the ballot anyway.

[Mr. Humble]

Cons you must be joking maybe I missed the joke. First of all the US already was the laughing stock of the world. Secondly I am Canadian so Im not a Republican or Democrat. I love when Americans call themselves Republicans or Democrats. Most dont even know the difference between the two and I mean the real difference. So you think Gore shouldnt have asked for the recount, nice to see your brain is functioning properly and Bush missed the 48 hr deadline to ask for recounts. And your friends family who are Democrats will never vote Democrat again, man your ass must be getting tired of talking so much. Like I said I am Canadian. People that voted for Bush are selfish and the ones that voted for Gore actually care about the future of the US. I am in the upper financial division so if Bush wins it helps me. But you see Im not a greedy selfish *****. I actually hope Gore wins because the US doesnt need a lowlife like Bush in office. The guy has killed innocent people (already proven) went AWOL even though he never served a day in action, and has had everything handed to him on a silver plate. And just because Gore is not Bill Clinton you dont want hiom in office. Its amazing that the old folks and the poor/middle class want Gore and the rich spoiled brats want Bush. Didnt your parents ever tell you that old folks know alot more about life than the little punks do. Smarten up, the US will do better with a nice man like Gore and not with a brat like Bush. You truly make me laugh.

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[Demon]

A Canadian saying "the US already was the laughing stock of the world"???? LMFAO
You guys better not laugh too loud or we may decide to "annex" and you'll be living in northern Montana.
Your remarks that Bush supporters are greedy and selfish are ignorant.Someone believing they should be able to hold on to what they earn as opposed to giving it away cannot be considered greedy.On the other hand,someone voting for a candidate that offers the most "social spending" so you can get your free lunch from the people that have earned that money is the worst kind of greed.

[reno]

Cons, you gotta be kidding. Although I am neither a Gore nor Bush supporter, why should Gore "graciously accept defeat" when he may have, in fact, rightfully won the election?

[greg]

cons tou are right, the auto recount should stand.The crats whining for hand counts aremaking a mockery of the process. What they are doing is tainting every machine counted election in history, and in fact lending cause to handcount machine counted votes in the usa and subjecting these votes to a discretionary standard of intent.

[deepsouth]

Gore has every right to demand a hand count, as hand counts can pick up votes the machines do not. Problem is that if he winds up taking the lead from a hand count in Democratic counties, Bush has every right to demand a hand count in the rest of the counties. It's not fair to look carefully for votes in Democratic counties and use machines in the rest of the state.

The host of Politically Incorrect (forget his name) made a good point. It's like a football game where there's a controversial call and Bush is the quarterback who's trying to hurry up and get to the line of scrimmage before the other team can ask for a replay. Forget this stuff about Gore making a mockery of whatever; the most important thing is getting the right winner.

[The Guesser]

The Problem with a "handcount" is that it opens itself up to subjectivity. A "counter" can surmise what the voter meant to do, if a ballot has anomolies, rather than just throwing the ballot out, which is proper. This is what the Bush Camp is afraid of, and rightfully so, IMHO, since the Counters are Democrats. This is truly scary as an election result is about to be stolen. Milosovich and Norriega are laughing at us!!

[Chillin-the-Most]

Reno, Mr. Humble,
You are both right. Why should one concede to a loss when they are the winner? There is no doubt by either party that Gore won the state of Florida and the General Election. It is irresponsible for any American to believe that the intent of the voters should not be determined. We all have the right to vote. That doesn't mean ,"Yeah you can vote, but if we mistakenly count your vote the other way, then that is just the way it goes." These are the same people that think overtime is not included in the final score. These are the same people that think if we(sportsbooks) misgrade a game in their favor, then that is our fault and they get to keep the money.

[Chillin-the-Most]

deepsouth,
I wanted to give you credit too. Bill Maher is his name and he is right. That is a great analogy.

[Cons]

What is this: People that voted for Bush are selfish and the ones that voted for Gore actually care about the future of the US. ?!?

Well Mr Humble, your succinct suming up of about 100M voters does not portray you to be an intelligent political analyst, so forgive me for completely ignoring your comments.

Overall I agree that Gore should wait for the absentee ballots to come in from abroad, as without those we don't have the final figures. But asking for recounts is indermining the democratic process itself. A ballot is a ballot and it's either filled in correctly or its not. It's not exactly rocket science. What we're getting now is people who are supposed to interpret who the person intended to vote for? Personally I think that's a joke. There should be no interpretation whatsoever. You either cast a ballot correctly or it's void.

And as mentioned, Gore can get more votes in some counties by means of a recount, but Bush can do the same in others, so can someone tell me what the point is?

[Hamhog]

Mr Humble,

Why should my tax dollars be spent on ************ drugs for the elderly in Florida and not starving children in Africa? Where does my responsibility to mankind end? My experience suggests the Government uses tax dollars for many causes that I do not support, such as the prosecution of Jay Cohen.

It seems to me charitable contributions should be left to the discretion of the individual, not the government.

[reno]

Thomas Jefferson had it right: The Government that governs least, governs best.
Liberals see government as the Solution, whereas Libertarians---corectly in my opinion--see government as the Problem.

Someone once said that "anyone who is not a Llberal at age 20 doesn't have a heart; and anyone who isn't a Conservative at age 40 doesn't have a head." I was an idealistic left-wing Liberal/Radical when I graduated from college. 30 years of real world experience has transformed me into a pragmatic Libertarian/Conservative.

[david173]

Turns out Governor George W. Bush signed a bill allowing hand counts in Texas. If hand counts would really undermine the electoral process, as James Baker now argues on behalf of Bush, perhaps the Texas governor should have vetoed the hand count bill. But he didn't.