To all the sportsbook! Please put the odds back to NORMAL!!!

[alec]

Underdog7,

You always have a choice: to bet a favorite at -140 or to take a dog at +130. Right?

If you take the favorite at -140, you obviously consider the price to be fair and your chances of winning to be much higher than when you bet at -110.

So what is the difference in terms of the hardness of "getting ahead"?

[Underdog7]

We don't have time to go back and forth on this one. All I could say is, even though the line is -140, it doesn't mean to say you have a higher chances of winning. If that's the case then just bet on favs. As what my old man keeps on telling me when I was little. Life itself is a risk son, there is nothing sure in this world. Good luck to you!

[reno]

I certainly don't want "normal" odds. The fact that some sportsbooks move the number while others move the moneyline creates greater opportunity for sharp players. And, very importantly, it gives a scalper/middler a shot at gettting a scalp and a middle on the same game. Face facts: Sex is great, but hitting both a scalp and a middle on the same game is even better.

[alec]

Underdog7,

Just in case you have time to read this.

Of course the fact that the line is -140 doesn't mean anything. I said that if you make a bet at -140 you must consider the price to be fair. Otherwise you can take the dog or pass.

My point is as long as the juice is the same you can't say that changing the moneyline is worse or better for a bettor, than moving the points.

Good luck to you!

[Geekinstein]

Came in late on all this. Glad to see Reno nail this argument down. A plethoria of numbers has got to help the numerically sharp player. My guess is the BMs think they're snookering the squares - check that - they know they're doing so.

[Ronbets]

The 20cent line renders value virtually non existent in the LARGER stores. You're fooling yourself G/Stein.

[Geekinstein]

No so, Ron. I don't bet into a 20 cent line, I go elsewheres. Point is, with all the hash if you know the odds you can pick out the opportunities. Frankly, since I'm usually a foots only guy, I rarely pay any juice with sites like Aces Gold and the Juice Free Fridays...

Matter of fact, I don't see how anybody can exist in this business unless you breath numbers...sort of like going skin diving without an aqualung.

[Ronbets]

G/Stein,

The way you presented your situation, I can't contest your post. Juice free and bonuses = + expectations. The math part is a given. Stay on the boat until they run out of water. MOT.

[AussieVamp2]

Originally posted by Ronbets:
The 20cent line renders value virtually non existent in the LARGER stores. You're fooling yourself G/Stein.

Yeah, but if you are shopping around, is it a 20c line? Must say last few weeks have been paying attention and betting more on US football lines, and lots of half point and moneyline variety around.

[Underdog7]

No matter how you guys look at it but if you see a -140/+120 moneyline and you took the fav, you already fell on a "40c" line.

[Ronbets]

In the grand scheme of #s in LARGER books, moving money off of original key #s will only give you(player) different looks. The cosmetics primarily earn for the house.

Smaller shops with paltry limits and track star BMs might be a different story. The faster they run the better shot you got!

My beef with these young new math BMs is the overkill effect on 90% of the betting public.

[PMcK]

I understand that there's a step in winning% when you are moving the line from/to 3 or 7 at NFL games, but I noticed that WWTS has a line u191.5-130 for the Lakers game total. How big is 0.5 points difference in NBA totals? Is u191.5-130 better than u191-110 or 190.5-105 or u195-150 or do you just make your bets at places whose lines you can compare?

[This message has been edited by PMcK (edited 11-05-2000).]

[AussieVamp2]

Originally posted by PMcK:
How big is 0.5 points difference in NBA totals? Is u191.5-130 better than u191-110 or 190.5-105 or u195-150 or do you just make your bets at places whose lines you can compare?

[This message has been edited by PMcK (edited 11-05-2000).]

You just do a bit of research and work it out. This one though - 191.5 -130 (being around 0.565 and -110 being your 0.524 or thereabouts would seem fairly obvious.

[PMcK]

So there's a 4% difference between -110 and -130 and I suppose 0.5 points in totals isn't worth that much so why don't they make the smaller steps and move the line 0.5/1.0/1.5 points instead of moving it 20 cents. As you said you must "do a bit of research and work it out" and I wonder how many of their clients will do that and how many will place the bet at some other place?

[AussieVamp2]

well this one was certainly an odd move, and that is an odd line, don't know off the top of my head how many key NBA totals there are , but don't think one around 190 is in a Lakers-Clippers game, 3 of 4 of which were over last year I think (and add this one to the list very easily as well)

The under was very popular with 193s overnite as well as 191.5s and then 189 or so.

Would have been nice to have had a +110 on the over though rather than -110