The Abetz Situation and Bettorsworld

[reno]

One of the reasons that I am a Bettorsworld fan is their track record when it comes to recommending sportsbooks. Unlike the two other sites, Bettorsworld never recommended Abetz. To my mind, it is quite unsettling that the other two sites ever gave Abetz their seal of approval or entered into any promotional agreement with them.

Simply put, the other two sites are not doing their job. If they were, they never would have been Abetz supporters.I had considered playing with Abetz at the beginning of baseball because I had heard that they had soft numbers. But a few calls to some offshore BMs who know what's going on convinced me that Abetz was a problem waiting to happen. Naturally, this begs the question: Don't the other two sites have reliable contacts in the industry who can give them the lowdown on other sportsbooks?
I mean, my job is not to check-out sportsbooks, and, yet, from the get-go, I was well aware that Abetz was a potentially problematic out. Why weren't the other two sites aware of this fact?

[Fred]

which are the other two sites?

the pre scription and ?

[bgeorgia]

the not so funniest thing about this abetz book is the fact that all these people whose claim is to protect the player are the same people going around posting things that make you want to weep for this place.
sting said sometthing to the effect that he expects abetz to back in full form in about a month! this is truly pathetic. i have seen NO efforts on the other site to get back ANY of the lost winnings from abetz. it appears they just wished them away and with that all the monies won and posted based on this so called "watchdog".

all players should keep this in mind. know who you deal with. learn from other web site's mistakes. when you get someone like sting "worrying" about the health of abetz INSTEAD of the players who have been stiffed, you best stay away from anything they might throw your way. Chances are it will be garbage.

brian

[Gart]

I defended Reno's posting ability at the MW site so in fairness I'll defend that sight here. Then I'll shut up and mind my own business.

I don't speak for MW but as I understand it Abetz was never on their recommended list and the only advertising relationship they had with Abetz was to let them sponsor a contest that ********** is now picking up the tab for.

I also understand that BWorld ran ads for Abetz at one time but stopped when you guys weren't paid. BWorld then became the first watchdog to warn against Abetz for which you should be commended.

[reno]

I want to set the record straight. I know that Abetz was never on the BW List. I know that the P did have then on their "List" and implicitly, if not explicitly, endorsed them. I know that MW entered into a promotional agreement with Abetz. I do not know if MW ever had Abetz on a recommended list. I did not know that Bettorsworld had accepted advertising dollars from Abetz. If that is true, then they are as culpable as MW.

In my opinion, unless an offshore watchdog site like BW, MW, or the P is willing to put a sportswbook on its "List," they should not accept advertising dollars from them.

[sportshobby]

I have to agree with Reno here, although I don't think that's been the policy to date.

One of the prime purposes of the site is to direct players to reputable books, avoiding getting stiffed and hassled. If a banner ad appears at the top of the screen while they're on the site, then the site is sending them there whether or not it was intended.

[Jeff]

Reno, there is an article on breaking news pertaining to this.....

[bgeorgia]

for a very brief time abetz was on bettorsworld. during that time all players apparently were paid and NO complaints were filed with bettorsworld.
bettorsworld chose NOT to renew any advertising contracts with abetz BEFORE problems began to arise. the other site chose to continue to promote the site and even as of a week ago claimed they will be back within 30 days. they have done little or nothing to address the players who have been stiffed while allowing david at abetz to post on a regular basis claiming he has never stiffed anybody. abetz has been treated with kid gloves at this site while the players questions go unanswered.
abetz, once a loudmouth at this other site as been stifled to a whimper.
bettorsworld has 30+ books. our record of book performance is matched by no one.
did we make a mistake by allowing abetz to be any part of bettorsworld? yes. did we realize this book would fail in a reasonable period of time? yes. did we do something about it? yes. that was quite a while ago. our predictions came true. of course you cannot simply post what you predict will happen-you simply rid yourself of these books and let the other sites have them if they so choose. that is all we can do. promote who we have because we have the best.
bg

[This message has been edited by bgeorgia (edited 10-19-2000).]

[Socceroo]

I would like to broaden Reno's point about culpability and just take a peek at the other side of the coin.

BW is there to make sure that players get a good deal but correct me if I am wrong, BW is a business and as such is also there to make money.

Taking dollars off someone and openly endorsing a product are slightly different animals, although I accept that they are definately related. Feasably BW could take their money and still publicly criticise them at every opportunity as long as it is justified and the truth. Then if the book is still dumb enough to send the cash, more fool them.

It is posters such as Reno that command the real respect in this forum IMO, and the players should take heed of their plentiful directions when choosing a book. If they don't then more fool THEM. Players can only be protected so much, at the end of the day some of them will always sign up with the guys that credit the biggest bonus. Unfortunately nobody can protect these players from themselves.

The guys at BW do a great job and do not charge a cent for us to log on and fill our boots with the superb info on offer.

I personally think they deserve every bit of cash that they get their hands on, but I stress one thing, they must always stay impartial, honest and above all maintain their integrity.

[sportshobby]

Socceroo, you are earning my respect by your posting thoughts.

The moment a visitor here posts with a book just because it is endorsed by BW, without regard to comments from the players posting here, they miss the point of the site.

[Jeff]

I appreciate and respect all of the comments on this matter.

I'll be the 1st one to tell people, not to listen to anything we say here at Bettorsworld. Be skeptical. You should be. Look around. Surf the web. Read all you can and ask all the questions you can possibly ask. Then make informed decisions.

In the same breath, I'll also say that I'm confident that we are the best at what we do. Should you not find the answers here on the site, you can always contact me personally, and I will be brutally honest with my answers.

There's alot of "opinion" in this site. Our opinions, and I think our opinions carry a certain degree of weight. Afterall, our record is pretty damn good and we've been around a bit.

At the same time, I'm a firm believer that the players/visitors to this site, don't need a pied piper to follow.

I've seen others across the net get up on their soap boxes and preach as if they were talking to a bunch of morons. I think the people are much smarter than that.

I actually make a concentrated effort to stay out of as many threads and topics as I can, just for those reasons. Sportshobby and Socceroo are right on the money. The players are the ones that carry the most weight, and that's what this forum is for.

Do your homework.

Check THE LIST daily!

I don't believe in going for the ratings so to speak, with flashy headlines about one book or another.Only as a last resort. I do my talking thru that list.

any questions about it, email me at Jeff@bettorsworld.com

[Socceroo]

Sportshobby - Thanks again, it is good to know that my humble opinion is appreciated.

Goodnight to all!

[reno]

As far as I'm concerned, the BW list is like gold. There is no way I would have sent hundreds of dimes offshore without it. It is obvious that the P either has not done their homework or else puts the almighty dollar ahead of integrity. (Who can forget the Premiere League Fiasco that the P perpetrated?) It remains to be seen how thorough MW will be in scrutinizing sportsbooks and how diligent they will be in placing integrity above money. For now, the BW List remains the industry standard.