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  • Please Correct Me If I'm Wrong......................

    ........but the recent problems with ABETZ in conjunction with the dozen or so other similar problems encountered over the last year really has me shaking my head.

    First of all, I subscribe to the belief that it should not take longer than a week for the bettor to receive his funds. However, I take it a step further and have stricter guidelines. I so absolutely no reason, with security reasons taken into account, why a player cannot receive his/her funds in 3-4 business days MINIMUM. That's MORE than enough time. This reasoning is based on the fact that there are plenty of book out there that DO pay within this timeframe. Hell, in regards to one particular book, I requested a WU payout at 8:30 am in the morning and picked it up at Noon. The question that perpetually perplexes me is: If I can DEPOSIT funds in an account in 30 minutes or less, why is the reverse not true. And I'm not talking credit cards here......straight cash. While 30 minutes may be TOO much to ask, 3-4 days certainly is not. It CAN be done. I've done it for years with some particular books.

    This leads me to another, but related, subject. It absolutely boggles my mind that folks would choose to send substantial amounts of cash to an outfit that has only been in existence for a number of months. Now, I'm not saying that these outfits should be automatically penalized because of their infancy. Somebody, somwhere, at one point in history ate the very first Big Mac, and 40+ years later Micky D's is doing quite well. So is the guy who ate the Big Mac (other than his arteries are, perhaps, more clogged, especially if he was a return customer). But, the point I'm trying to make is: these new books need to be treated with extreme care and discretion, for an extended period of time. In otherwords, they have to earn their stripes AFTER they have gained and proven their trust to the public and their customers.

    Personally, I have a procedure that I use when trying a new book that has worked quite well for me. I start by calling the outfit and asking a couple of basic questions. I then post up the MINIMUM amount. I make a serious of small bets (both on the internet and over the phone) and take note of their grading practices, etc. After a brief period, I call them with a minor "problem" or question (usually fabricated) with the sole intention of seeing how they HANDLE the problem. I then procede to the final step: requsting a payout. This procedure tells me all I need to know about a particular book. If they treat a "small" bettor in a positive way, then they probably subscribe to the theory that all customers should be treated equally (which is a cardinal rule in ANY business).

    Think about the following analogy for a moment. If you saw a commercial on TV for a car you have never heard of before, a brand new company, and it struck your fancy, would you go out and purchase one? Of course not. (Any former Yugo owners out there?) If a new weight-loss miracle pill were suddenly introduced to the market backed by a massive advertising campaign, would you jump off your treadmill and toss back a bottle or two? Most likely not. However, a large amount of Phen-Phen users did just that and are now paying the price (or soon will be when their wives give birth to a baby with three eyes.)

    Now, I want to emphasize that I am, in no way, suggesting that one should automatically discount a fledging sportsbook. You have to get your start sometime. Nor am I suggesting that I'm some sort of expert on this subject. I'm not. What I DO do is: I work hard for my money and I have common sense. Not unlike 95% of the people reading this. And I've NEVER had a problem with a payout. Not even close. There are dozens of books out there with established reputations, with O skeletons in their past, where I feel unequivocally comfortable sending my money to while allowing me to sleep at night. Yet, every month or so, an ABETZ-like story pops up. I just don't get it................

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    C'mon on, Junior 44, where's your sense of adventure? Now that Boomer's retired, Bettorsworld needs a new hero, someone with the balls to systematically test out obscure new sportsbooks located in the outer regions of cyberspace. I've already voted for you to take over Boomer's function. Please don't disappoint me by becoming a stodgy, pragmatic voice of reason. I mean, what could be more boring than a guy who advocates the tried and true?

    Seriously, your points make sense. However, many of us lack the common sense that you have. Consequently, Abetz is far from the last story we'll hear about a fringe sportsbook gone bad.

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    • #3
      jr44, excellent post. The thing you have to remember, as pointed out in the article on breaking news, is that we are in an industry where stu feiner and kevin duffy thrive. Nuff said.

      Seriously though, people have to learn to view posting up with sportsbooks like investing in the market or a mutual fund. You have your safe, conservative funds, and you have funds with much more risk, yet the potential for greater returns.

      Case in point, I've had players tell me they would be able to get a number on a baseball move at some books 2 hours after the game moved. Now, that's great, but as much as I'd like to get that number as well, that's too risky for my blood. I know what it takes to run a book. It's not a game, and if I see any signs that perhaps a book isn't on the ball, no thanks.

      Others are more tolerant to risk, for different reasons, and they accept the risks involved.

      But in this day and age, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE for players who don't have the tolerance, to put themselves in that position.

      There are books out there that are as safe as Disney Stock, and that's where they should be playing.

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      • #4
        Jeff - Exactly my point. The risk/return quotient is a concept that cannot be attributed universally. In otherwords, like you said, it differs from individual to individual. Some folks take the chance and it pays off well for them. In all honesty, I am sincerely happy for them. In other cases it does not (See abetz, action sports, etc.) For me personally, there is a basic risk involved that is inherant in this industy. That is: The concept of sending cash to a distant island with absolutely no guarentee or clue as to what is going to become of it. Now, that is a concept that I overcame a long time ago, and consequntly, i have no second thoughts about sending cash to outfits such as WSEX, Olympic, WWTS, Rio, etc. But, not long ago, I had my doubts. And even today, there are people that wouldn't even consider doing this even though these outfits are as safe as "disney stock". This is a concept that did not exist 4-5 years ago, and Bettorsworld and you yourself (and certain other outfits) has provided and outlet where people can decide for themeselves. But the fact remains that one stiff job of say 25 dimes negates (or seriously cuts into) any advantage one gains from gaining a favorable point or two.

        Reno - While I appreciate the nomination, I am going to have to cordially decline and pass the baton. While I do have a strong sense of adventure (most of which have to do directly with my balls and body parts in direct proximity to them), when it comes to exposing them to an untested outfit, they more or less resemble an individual emerging from Lake Erie in mid-January. In this condition, it is impossible for me to be "stiffed", if ya know what I mean.

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        • #5
          Hello Guys....I have been scammed by kingsbet.com...I have sent them over $4000....They owe me $4500 as of today, and I requested payout last week for $2850, and still no $$$...When I called yesterday to get Western Union transfer number, i gave them my PIN# and password, and they said my account does not exist....I need help ,,,any suggestions....email to bamafands@aol.com...I know....I am a sucker...Thanks in advance for any suggestions or help...

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