teaser help

[Frank]

I have a local guy who offered me somthing I never heard of. He offered me 1 team teasers. I would have to lay 2-1 and the crappy local rules which are 6 points, drop the halves, ties lose. I really don't play teasers. Is this a good deal? I have never done any research on teasers. Any comments appreciated. Frank.

[Underdog7]

Frank - Not so sure if I understood it correctly. So, what you are saying was, if the favored line is -32 it will drop to -16?
And if the underdog line is +32, it will go up to 48?

[Gary]

That sounds like a great deal. When you tease a game (6 points -110) the odds go to about -260 per game. You are laying -200 so that is great. You can think of it as a moneyline parlay where 2 teams -260 pay off at about 1.91. I'd never heard of that rule where you drop the halves but I'm assuming if you tease a 2.5 point dog instead of getting 8.5 you only get 8 and ties lose. I am almost certain this is still a very good deal and unless he books to squares only, this deal won't last.

[Ronbets]

Frank,

This is no bargain with a few exceptions. The 6 pts. are basically worth the $2. However, crossing the 7,6,and 3 on one game in NFL is worth more.

[Railbird]

a.you mean 1-2 not 2-1
b.really its 5pts not 6 since ties lose,if he says ties lose you wont be seeing any spreads with half points.

its a total rip off,period.

[Gary]

What in the heck are you guys talking about. Where does the 32 to 16 and 32 to 48 come from? No comprende. Ronbets says the six points are basically worth the 2 dollars (which they are and more) but crossing the 2,6, and 7 are worth more? What does that mean. Who said you couldn't cross those numbers. In fact in the example I gave, you get every number mentioned above.
Ronbets, No he very definately does mean 2-1. Lay 2 to get 1. Not Lay 1 to get 2. For obvious reasons to anybody who plays teasers, the vast majority of your plays are going to be NFL. Do not dismiss this offer as being a ripoff. I can most assure you it is not and if I was given access to this I would play limit bets on it. Thanks.

[Tom0Co]

Actually, it appears reasonable considering available moneylines and buying points. It actually (drop the hook and ties lose) comes to 5 or 5½, if he doesn't hook all the lines. Basicially if each ½ point is worth 10¢, 5 = -210, 5½ = -220, which is what you'll find at books where you can buy up to 5½ points, so -200 appears to be a slight break. Considering you can manipulate certain numbers and create hedges, it should be considered an option when dealing with this book.

[Gary]

Sorry to keep replying to this but I can't believe more people didn't realize this is a great deal.
Take this game
Denver + 6 +220
Rams - 6 -260
If I tease the Rams, the game is a pickem ( I would lose if it ended tied) I only lay -200. Now I take the Broncos +220 for a nice juicy scalp.
This is also valid for the Eagles Dallas game and there are a couple of 6 1/2 games out there where I guess you would be laying 1.5 but the takeback on the dog (aroud +240) would definately make up for losing both bets when the favorite wins by one. Ronbets and Railbird have posted very good information in the past, thats why I was surprised when they didn't immediately see the tremendous value in this offer. I would love for an offshore book to start offering these 1 game teasers at -200, but then again the book would get hammered thus reducing my odds of getting paid. Occasionally locals will come up with some of the stupidest wagers from their perspective and you have to wonder how they made it all these years.

[Ronbets]

Gary,

What has more value?
Example #1 SF/ATL--ATL-1.5(7-6pts ties lose)


Example #2 JAX/CLEV--CLEVE +15.5

No contest--that's my point. Your scalp example is a winner. Tremendous value?? Let's say on occasion. Six points are worth well less than 260 averaging multiple situations.

[reno]

Gary, you're not getting a bargain. On rare occasions when you can tease down from 6 to PK, you have an edge, otherwise no. The fact that ties lose reduces your teaser to a 5-pointer, and 5 points aren't worth -200 in the NFL.

[Frank]

This is a deal set up only for me because he is grumpy old man with loads of cash and he doesn't think I can beat him because I'm 40 years younger than him. All I have to do is test his manhood and ask him "Are you a real bookie or not?" and he will give me just about any deal thats reasonable. I did not ask for this, he asked me. I've probably played 10 teasers in the past 5 years as I don't really like football compared to scalping baseball and middling hoops. Thats why I asked you guys.

The limit is a dime to win a nickel. Because he drops the half and ties lose, I would be getting 5.5 points on a whole number. I would be getting 6 points by teasing a favorite down on a number with a half. And I'd be getting 5 points if I tease the dog up on a number with a half.

Example, Wash -10.5
teased down= Wash -4(6 point swing)
teased up= Car +16(5 point swing)
The swings are because ties lose.

BTW,I do not have to play a certain a certain number of games. I can pick my spots. I actually was thinking about trying to middle all of the games. I was figuering I had an 11 point middle or a 10 point middle if the game crossed 0. I would always win one side and would only have to hit 33% to break even. I don't think he thought of this but if I did it I would probably no longer have a deal after week 1.

[Frank]

Any other thoughts on if this is a good deal and/or when I should use it?

[kingtut]

frank-wouldn't you have to hit 66.6% if you are laying 2:1 odds-sounsd like you'd be better off doing a 3-team round-robin and teasing the combos!?

[Frank]

Kingtut,
Using the example above, there are three possible outcomes.
1)Wash wins by 16 or more
win 500, lose 1000, net:-500
2)Car wins outright or loses by 4 or less
win 500, lose 1000, net:-500
3)Wash wins by 5-15
win 500, win 500, net:+1000

I would only have to middle 1 out of 3 games to break even.

[kingtut]

Frank-
you are right-- I think that the odds are definitely with you, especially week 1 , when the games have been analyzed for 3 to 4 weeks and the lines should be sharp--if i had this opportunity, i would place a bet like this on every game on the board for week 1, take the money (because he will close this sweet little deal on monday!) and run to the bank- i hope he's not a good friend!