Don Best going downhill with recent addition

[Rolando]

See my post under Dunes on Don Best.

The only reason they got a rep here was because they paid BW, not because they have "been around"

[Underdog7]

Rolando - Hope you don't mind me asking. What shop are you from?

[Rolando]

I dont have one offshore. My point is that a book who has REALLY ONLY been in biz for less than 1 year has no business being on the premium service. Island Xpress is a stretch for me! I dont care if its dunes or 5dimes or whatever

[Jeff]

Rolando, you state that you don't play offshore. Do you play locally? How many local outs do you have? How long have you been playing with those local outs??

[Rolando]

The question UNderdog asked was what shop I was from implying that I worked for or owned an offshore book.

I am my own book. If thats what you mean and I have been doing this for over 15 years. I think I know a little bit more than a first year book.

I am not slamming Dunes but do you put Dunes and CRIS on the same level because thats what Dana has done. If so then both of you are really naive or money hungry whores!

[INTREPID]

Rolando, why are you smashing Dunes when WIT and Coastal were up after being open only a short time, and Pelican and Palmas went up after being in business under a year? Sounds like sour grapes to me. Your posts are just ranting and raving, and pretty much self-serving.

[Jeff]

So if you're a book, and you've been doing this 15 years, and you decided to set up offshore, would you be a book with one year experience or 16 years experience?

Also, try and show a little class when you want to criticize. It goes a long way, and means alot more when someone can criticize without sounding like a little kid.

[Rolando]

Ok sorry for the whores remark.

But its all about money not reputation.

Lets see we have Mirage, Stardust, MGM, CRIS, RIO, Dunes.

PIck the one that does not fit.

[bluesky]

Roland,

I don't know the real people behind Dunes but I hear they have deep pockets and are solid financially. If they have the ability to pay and honor the line on the screen, I dont have a problem with them or any other book being on the feed.

I sense from your other post you don't like this "guy". Your personal feelings shouldn't be a factor if they are on the feed or not. Do you have any other reasons that you care to go into, why they shouldn't be on the feed?

[sportshobby]

Jeff, that is a good analogy. There have been many cases of solid, reputable shops changing names and locations. And while it looks like it is a new shop, it is really not.

I don't personally know anything about Dunes. But if Jeff is convinced (that they are solid and reputable), and Dana is convinced, there is a lot of credibility there.

[Rolando]

My final comment for you is this . Does the Stardust, Mirage, CRIS, RIO have to pay DANA or BW or do these casinos get paid?

I Guarantee you Dunes paid for its spot here and on Don Best and neither BW nor Dana came running after the Dunes opened its doors so they could have their feed. Give me a break.

As for jeff's other point. I would be a BM with 0 experience booking in essence worldwide action. I can handle the local 100 and I can seperate the wise guys from squares.

When you book over the internet you dont know who is taking shots at you. There is a big differnce. How many years have the Dunes execs booked in the islands?

When Dana places a line on the premium service he is giving tacit credability to that place being able to pay. I seriously doubt if Dana would be willing to stand good if the Dunes did not pay.

In closing, Intrepid when I need your psychoanalysis or help I'll let you know!

[INTREPID]

Rolando, you didn't answer my post regarding WIT, Coastal, Pelican, and Palmas. Are all these books paying BW and Don Best? Advertising is advertising; getting more than that comes from a review of the stability, reputation and independent bookmaking characteristics of the book.

Reviewing your past posts, I see that very few of them even have more than one response.And the first post was about "audiohighway?" Will have to check that one out further.

Have you bet at offshore books? I have used several, including Dunes, and have no gripes.
If you have had bad experiences, you should post regarding those, and leave BW and Don Best to decide what is in their best interests.

Your comment on psychoanalysis was interesting; perhaps you should listen to yourself. You brought it up.

[This message has been edited by INTREPID (edited 08-02-2000).]

[Jeff]

I can repsect Rolandos concerns. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

He even brings up some valid points. The Dunes hasn't been in business for several years commercially, as others have, and all this, of course, should come into play when players make their choices.

He did fail to mention several other books in the same situation, and did seem to have a gripe specifically with Dunes, but I could be wrong.

Having said that, Dana and Don Best sports have a commitment to their customers to provide them with what they want. I'm sure their have been books on the feed in the past that Dana might have preferred not to have on board, but it's the customers that ultimately decide that.

Be thankful that there are places like Don Best Sports and Bettorsworld, where customers of these books can come together and and exchange info regarding these books. That's the whole idea. Put them under the spotlight, and see how they do.

No one will stand behind any book. All anyone can do is use their resources to check a place out as best they can.

I know in the case of Bettorsworld, we checked with as many different people as we possibly could about the dunes. Based on that, and my visit with them, we decided to bring them on board. We could have easily declined, as we have with many others in the past. It's always a judgement call, and in this case, I'm comfortable with our decision.

I can only assume Dana and company took similar steps.

Ultimately, you, as a player, have to do your own research, and play where you feel comfortable!

[bucky]

Rolando,
So you run a local book. You deal to squares only - no wiseguys. I assume you use the offshores to set your lines and lay off lopsided action. How long have you had accounts offshore? In your case if you get boned offshore and can't pay your clients you have big problems don't you. So, you are probably way more careful than a player would be.

[joseph]

I've used Don Best Premium for about three years,and Dunes for a little over four months.In that time I have had nothing but good experiences with both.I have dealt with over twenty offshores,and none have been better than Dunes.As far as comparing them to CRIS,they took twenty nine days to refund a credit card,dared me to find anyplace that could do it faster,and all with an attitude.I'll take Dunes next day pay and friendly attitude.No ax to grind like Rolando,just my experience. Thanks..Joseph