Pay2Play and his UNBELIEVABLE posts!!!

[mikewise]

Tonight, as I surfed the web for fun things to read I came across a post by Pay2Play that shocked me for I thought that this kind of outrageously medieval mentality no longer existed. He was comenting on the international soccer match held between Costa Rica and the USA. This is what he posted right here on BW:

posted 07-23-2000 05:20 PM
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I hope all the Yank BM's living in CR now are making a lot of money, because you should get paid tons to have to breathe the same air as those lowlife ******* whores. Are Costa Ricans the most disgusting, ugly, pathetic form of life on this planet? Or are there still a few Nazis hiding some place.
Which is just my way of saying "hand ball, my ass!"


And here is my reply:

As a costarican i feel obligated to post in this thread.

P2P, "WHAT" the f**k do you think you are?! That post you made is the most repugnant thing that I have ever read. I have been a reader of BW for a long time now, but because of my involvement in the sports betting industry I have decided not to post on strings that I have knowledge of; however this is TOO MUCH!!!

You sir, and ignorant, prejudist people, are the most ugly and pathetic forms of life on this planet.

Costa Rica is a beautiful country with beautiful beaches, great volcanoes, amazing wildlife, great rainforests ...and yes, beautiful peaceful and hard working people. Costa Rica has one of the highest literacy rates in the WORLD; a democracy unheard of in Latinamerica and a great football team as well. We will play and beat the US soccer team and any other CONCACAF team on our home court anyday. Our football players (or as you call them in the USA, soccer players) are ALL COSTARICANS, and most play in leagues all over the world due to their great skill. P2P, where are the US soccer players imported from lately, Greece, Argentina, Germany, Mexico?! Any clue?!

The fact that a Jamaican referree, appointed to the game by FIFA, made lously calls ALL GAME LONG has nothing to do with Costa Rica, its people its soccer fans or its players. Wanchope, CR's star stricker, was held in the penalty box by a US player and no call. He was tripped 2 minutes before the hanball in the box and no call; and even a goal was taken away. Yes, the referee was terrible and despite that Costa Rica won; tough luck Yankee.

FIFA should do something about these referees and appoint some better ones, especially considering that a US referee was appointed for the game between Jamaica and Honduras only 5 hours after the US-CR game ended ...could this ref look for revenge against the Jamaicans for an alleged bad call??!! Could the fact that a US ref oficciates in the Jamaican game make the Jamaican ref a little inclined towards the US so that his colleague will be generous to his team??!! I think this makes more sense than to say that he gave the game to Costa Rica.

What we are doind in San Jose is celebrating the fact that we won a very important football match ...and give thanks to our "Virgen de los Angeles" for the health and well-being of all 22 soccer players who gave us a thrilling GAME today. Finally, we thank our "Virgencita" that there are less of YOU prejudists and more of us ticos around here.

[sportshobby]

Give 'm hell, Mike!

[intheknow]

Hell Yes!!
I totally agree with Mike, as a Costa Rican BM, and US citizen I applaud the great effort put forth by the Costa Rican team. A country with a base of 270 million to draw on was beat by a country with about 4 million citizens. And by the way, I watched some of the game and while I'm no expert, CR was the aggressor almost the whole time. They earned the victory!!!!

[mikewise]

It is very important, and this has to be said over and over again in the sport of soccer, that extreme fanatisicm is terrible and leads to horrible things (i.e. pay2plays's posts). That is why i had to reply. Soccer is a sport, a game, good entertainment. It will pick up in the US soon as the world becomes more "globalized"; and I fear that the only bad side of this sport, the extreme prejudist fanaticism picks up as well. Let's try to remember FAIR PLAY, and remember it's just a game.

Maybe his rage (P2P's rage that is)was not only against costaricans but against a bookie he had to pay many dollars to because the US didnt win...?
I was hoping to wake up and read a post by P2P today that made sense to me. Maybe later huh?!

[jakester]

p2p.....what a dope! I mean nothing you said in your post could be further from the truth. I guess if you would have bet with your wallet instead of your heart, you wouldn't have to be writing such ludicrous post. I went to the game and must say I had the best time, (even though the US lost). The atmosphere at the stadium was 10 times greater than any game I have ever been to in the States (football, basketball etc.). You have to remember soccer is there livelihood. Think before you drink, I mean post!

[Segundo]

Hey buddy, Extreme Fanaticism is what won the game for the Costa Rican's. Do you think those bottles being thrown at the ref whenever he made a bad decision had nothing to do with the referee's final decision? I know football well and that was probably the worst call I have EVER seen.

intheknow, CR was not the aggressor the whole game, so keep your non expert analysis out of this. We were all over them, we just could not convert up front. The US dominated in possession by about five minutes (forgot which site I saw that on, sorry).

By the way Mikewise, futbol is already here in the US, more athletes play futbol than any other sport in this country so we don't need you making excuses for our loss. We'll be fine, hell we knocked you guys out of the competition the last two tourneys, did we not?

Also, our players come from all over the world because that is what it means to be an American, the land of the free. Hell, you guys have players with Spanish blood, African blood, Indian blood from CR proper and you even have a guy with the last name of Park, Korean, right?

Don't come on here saying how righteous and great the racist CR people are, it won't wash with me because I know the way it works, maybe AV2 doesn't, he's halfway accross the world, nor those fat American bookies who live there, they don't get a chance to see what you guys are really about, they spend too much time paying your women for sexual services at the Del Rey or wherever the hell the whorehouse is. You are messing with the wrong guy here.

All over Latin America Ticos are known as the ones who don't want to be classified with other Central Americans. You guys don't even pronounce the letter r in Costa Rica the correct way because you want to be so different.

Oh, and what was that picture on the front page of the CR newspaper about 4 years ago when you defeated Nicaragua 1-0 in a qualifier? Was it a picture of a white CR fan painted like a black person with a sign that said "Soy Nico" (I am Nicaraguan) which was meant to degrade the color of the Nicaraguan people? Yes, it was, on the FRONT ****ING page I remind you.

Leave p2p alone, he has made a lot of good contributions to this forum in the past. We don't need your patronage in futbol either. En todo latinoamerica los ticos son los que mas comen mierda (se dicen, no digo yo) entonces busca por dentro para encontrar esa forma de vida patetica de que tu hablas.

Oh, by the way, do you still address your parents and family that you hold dear in the "ud" form of Spanish? Yeah, that's what I thought, one of the only countries that talks to their family as if they were complete strangers. Leave P2P alone, worry about your own buddy.

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[mikewise]

This is what you, Segundo, posted on another thread:

posted 07-24-2000 03:16 AM
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I think Costa Ricans are the ****iest prople I have ever met, and I have been all over the world. They got lucky today, US was the way better team, we just have no strikers to finish off on goals. I understand pay2play's attitude, I am sure he will regret "some" of what he said later on. I, for one, will not take this loss laying down, from here on out I will make it a point to try and get to the Costa Rica vs US match in the US and throw as many bottles at their players and the ref so that at the end of the game the ref is scared to death NOT to give the US the victory out of fear for his life. Do the rest of you non footballers understand what pay2play meant to say now?
Oh, by the way, I did not have a bet on the game, I am a fan unlike the rest of you who may respond.

Fight fire with fire, baby!!

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And this was my response:

posted 07-24-2000 04:47 PM
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Hey Segundo, the fact that the US Soccer team doesn't have strikers to finish off goals is not Costarican's fault but your own. You have close to 300 million citizens to choose from and still have been well known for "importing" players from other countries. Bottom line, you are not up to world standards in soccer yet; keep on trying maybe in some years you will create the necessary culture behind this sport.
Let us not forget that this is a game. It is entertainment. Extreme fanatisicm can become very dangerous and lead people to say and do very silly, and even plain stupid things (i.e. pay2play's and Segundo's posts).

I was at the Saprissa stadium where the match in question was held and saw ONLY confetti and toilet paper (I might add that it appeared to be unused) tossed into the field. There were no bottles thrown into the field and the Fifa official statement doesn't report any illegal practices by the CR fans against the US fans or the US players.
I can assure you that both ticos and gringos that attended the stadium walked hand in hand before and after the game to have an Imperial (or as I prefer, a Pilsen) and to comment on how lowsy the referee was as well as games to come for both teams. US citizens and costaricans get along great down here and there are plenty of both.

If you, Segundo, have to go to a soccer match to throw things to costarican professional soccer players, and openly admit that you will do such a horrible thing just because you think, just like I do, that a JAMAICAN referee did a lowsy job, and because you know that your soccer team is not up to world standards yet (both you and I know that you have NO strikers), then I have no doubt in my mind that YOU are the ****iest person ever ...and I HAVE been all over the world buddy.

NOW:

***If you want we can do this in Spanish, French or Italian but for courtesy to other readers lets stick to english.***

What won the game for the costaricans was the costarican national soccer team. Period. There were NO bottles thrown to the referee when he made a bad decision (and he made them very frecuently, mostly against Costa Rica) in the stadium. I was there along with many friends, some of them American and some of them ticos and we all didn't see one single bottle thrown. We heard cheers all game long but as I said before, the only bottles we saw where the ones we ALL drank after the spectacle.

This is a forum, not a ring or a one-on-one. Let's all post intelligent comments on the way things are and should be. If you wish to continue to insult my country and my people I will NOT go down to that level and will cease to post.

The US DID NOT KNOCK CR OUT OF THE LAST 2 WORLD CUPS!!! In 1994 the US didn't even have to qualify due to their host status and in 1998 the US lost the game in CR and won in US. I remember being in the same stadium close to 4 years ago and seeing Alexi Lalas (isn't he greek) making obsene gestures to the CR fans after the US lost. If we didn't go it was for other reasons.

One thing is the melting pot the US is and another is to hire players, give them a green card and make them sweat the national jersey when the do not know the anthem, not know the history and not even know the language. I am not saying that this specific US team is full of players like this but 20 years ago... whole different story. And Reynaldo PARKS is not Korean, he is from Jamaican descent and was born right here in Limon ...irie !!!

Every country in Latin America has different pronounciations in spanish. CR is no exception. We say "mae", our nicaraguan brothers say "broder", argentinos say "che", chilenos say "huevon", ecuatorianos say "loco". I have been and lived ALL over the world and that has nothing to do with the issue here (your prejudist, racist irrational views and opinions).

What is that bullsh*t about Costa Ricans degrating the "nicaraguan color" on front of a newspaper??!! For starters any nicaraguan will tell you that if Costa Rica beats them in football 1-0 it is a great accomplishment for them. Our nica neighbors, who I respect and love, are awesome in baseball and have had excelent boxers but are not that great in soccer because they only picked up the sport professionally a few years ago much like the US. Costa Rica is NOT a racist country and half of our national team is of african descent so why would we do what you claim??!! Makes no sense like all your posts!!!

I talk to my family the way I choose to and that should have nothing to do here but I'll address that as well. "Usted" is a form that only indicates respect and admiration and is used all over Latin America. TU, Segundo, eres un gran carepicha!!!

Oh, and we do not eat sh*t in Costa Rica as you claim in your lousy attempt to insult me in spanish. We are a peace-loving country with no army and no grudges with anyone. We have no Rodney King incidents, no KKK, and no skinheads. White, Indian, Black and even the gringos who have become ticos because of our peaceful "pura vida" way of life all live in perfect harmony in Costa Rica.

No sir, it is YOU who decided to mess with the wrong guy and the wrong country!!! ...And now you even decide to mess with the BM's in CR??!! not very wise are you?!

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[Segundo]

OK, you addressed some of my points, some you did not, let's consider this done, I have too many other things to do today to be fighting with you here. I agree with your opinion about the refs, I disagree with you about the bottles being thrown, they showed them on tv and I saw a bottle at midfield.

Also, pronunciation and dialect are two different things, you should know that.

I did not make up the newspaper story, I saw it, I'll see if I can look it up in your paper's archives, though I doubt it.

I stand corrected on the last two tourney's (qualification, not World Cup, I thought you knew what I meant, because you guys were not even there) we beat you 1-0 in Portland, Oregon, Tab Ramos scored, to knock you guys out of Mundial 98.

Si quieres seguir discutiendo lo podemos hacer por telefono, mandame un email a segundito@hotmail.com con tu telefono en CR, te llamare y podemos pelear to' lo que tu quieras.

[mikewise]

Segundo,
I adressed ALL of your points except for the insults. There were no bottles. I saw no bottles and I was there. Most importantly neither one of the 22 players nor the refs were struck with anything but confetti; bottom line.

"Also, pronunciation and dialect are two different things, you should know that."
Yes sir, I know that and also know that That has nothing to do with soccer ability, bad referees or the way costaricans are.

You should know that!

I have no interest in you calling me or me emailing you. I just will not take ANYONE saying such repugnant comments about Costa Rica and will clear up these awful lies as they come. You say in spanish that you can call me and we can fight all I want right??!!

Sir, I, as most costaricans, am a peaceful individual and I'm open to dialogue, but I'm not willing to pointlessly argue with irrational prejudist people who hold some people superior than others.

Hey segundo, where are you from?!

[jakester]

I have to agree with Segundo.....there were bottles thrown on the field as well as 100 colones coins thrown at a ref which hit him in the shoulder. I sat mid-field 2 rows up and the guy who threw it was a "Tico" I almost got into a fight with seeing I was an American, and cheered when the US scored. Lucky for me I could not understand him as I'm sure we would have fought and of course I would have gotten my ass kicked (me vs. the whole damn stadium).

[intheknow]

I don't have time to frame a response so I'll paraphase

kiss my fat Costa Rican Bookmaker ASS

[mikewise]

Jakester, coins and bottles tossed at the field could be a reason for FIFA to penalize the stadium severely. The ref, once the game is over has to write a statement that goes to FIFA and if he sees items tossed at the field is obligated to report that and FIFA is obligated to sanction the Costarican Soccer Federation. I did not see any bottles or coins on the field and I was with the diehard fans who danced and sang all game long. The security was maybe 3 times better than on regular season matches to ensure that and there is and will not be any sanction because the ref didn't consider that there was anything wrong with the fans.

As for intheknow's comment. I now believe that Pay2Play and Segundo will only understand with your words! Well put.

[Dot Mix]

Intheknow

I guess your real identity is now out of the bag.

Rumor had it Bobby Knight was starting a new career after the Indiana debacle, but I would of never guessed Costa Rican bookmaker!! Yikes.

Dot

[sportshobby]

Dot, we already knew he was a bookmaker, now we know his is from CR.

I decided a long time ago he was a stand up guy, and now I think even more of him for standing up against prejudice. I hope he's running one of the shops I'm playing into.

[Dingle]

Please read this post with this in mind.

I have not posted to make enemies, please read my comments, if you dont agree, fine, but dont come on and start blasting, that is the complete opposite point of this post. Just something for you guys to think about.

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Being English, i think i can comment on the turn of "alledged" events (I say alledged as I did not see the game, but can believe it).

The attitudes shown in this thread are disgusting, especially as the people in here are well educated.

This is the type of thing that starts hooliganism in Soccer or as I prefer Football. There are only a few bad eggs out there but the actions have huge consequences.
We should be trying to promote good relations not making things worse.

Please read on.

We should all know that England has one of the worst reputations for this type of trouble but usually at the fans not refs or players. It has damaged the reputation of English soccer, and my view cost us the 2006 world cup.

We should be in here discussing the problems but not starting verbal abuse. If the referee was being targeted, who's problem is it.....FIFA. Bad calls are made and untill it is addressed properly will continue to happen(video replay is quick enough these days to keep the game flowing).

Wake up guys, this year 2000 not 200, and the racial views expressed by people are disgusting....DISGUSTING.

If you have nothing decent to say don't say it! Simple

Moderators, please explain how this been allowed to continue this far.

Who cares what possession was held by both teams, (italy in euro 2000, did well enough without it).

The score was 2-1 to Costa Rica, except it, it aint gonna change. Just checked again and oh look it is still 2-1 Costa Rica and it will be tomorrow.

Segundo

Your comments about the newspaper article seem totally worthless when you then go on yourself to make derogatory remarks about Costa Rican's regarding them addressing their parents, seems a tad HYPOCRITICAL.

A attitude like this coming from a man from "the land of free" doesn't give much hope for the rest of the world.

I am only 21 but have seen the effects on the teams that this type of **** can have, move on you can always get revenge when they visit the U.S..... on the pitch tho, your comments of going with intention to throw bottles, no matter how "tongue-in-cheek" is apaulling.

One thing I have learnt is

ITS ONLY A GAME....... if something as trivial a sports can inject this much hatred, then I can see why there are so many F@@@ed wars going on all over the place.

Live and let live.

This post was added by DINGLE a citizen of EARTH, if everyone had this attitude, just think how nice a place it would be.

Dingle.


I will continue with a non moral theme now.

Costa Rica was GREAT value with some places, I see Wanchope play week in week out, and although he is not always consistent, the boy is GIFTED very gifted. It only takes a piece of inspiration from him to turn a game on its head, he could a great player if he could just perform evry game.

I played Costa Rica, although not a very productive comment I know, just a little brag.

Dingle