BETTORSWORLD FANS:AN APOLOGY...

[REALITY]

DEAR BETTORSWORLD FANS,
PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCEREST APOLOGY FOR THE RASH OF POSTS REGARDING RENO/REALITY.

I HAD INVITED RENO TO DEBATE THE ISSUES IN ONE THREAD POINT BY POINT BUT HE DECLINED.

I ISSUED THE $10,0000 CHALLENGE TO RENO UNDER THE THREAD TOPIC:RENO/REALITY 4TH OF JULY FIREWORKS.

I HAVE ASKED BETTORSWORLD TO POST THE EXCERPT OF THE $10,000 CHALLENGE IN A SEPERATE THREAD SO THAT ANYBODY INTERESTED IN THE CONTENT OF THE CHALLENGE CAN MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION.

WAS MY APPROACH HERE OVERKILL?

CERTAINLY.

AND FOR THAT I APOLOGIZE.

I THOUGHT I COULD EMBARASS RENO TO ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE.

TO ACCEPT A CHALLENGE LIKE THIS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE WINNING HAND.

RENO DID NOT HAVE THE WINNING HAND SO HE WISELY FOLDED,AND SAVED HIMSELF $10,000.

BY HIDING BEHIND THE I'M IGNORING REALITY DEFENSE, HE BELIEVES HE SAVED FACE.

FOR THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW HE COULDN'T WIN THIS BET,HE CAN'T SAVE FACE.

THE FACT THAT HE DIDN'T ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE TELLS YOU THAT HE WAS WRONG SO HE DIDN'T SAVE FACE HERE EITHER.

AGAIN TO ANYONE I OFFENDED IN THE HEAT OF THIS FIASCO I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE.

SPECIAL APOLOGY TO JEFF OF BETTORSWORLD WHO WOULD HAVE HELD THE $10,000 FROM RENO AND MYSELF AND WOULD HAVE BEEN YOUR WITNESS TO THE FACTS THAT WOULD HAVE LEAD TO RENO LOSING THIS BET.

I ONLY INVOKED JEFF'S NAME BECAUSE HIS REPUTATION IS BEYOND REPROACH.

JEFF,I WANTED TO PROVIDE THE READERS OF BETTORSWORLD THE BENEFIT OF MY 25 YEARS IN THIS BUSINESS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE COUNTER.

AGAIN,I'VE LOST ANOTHER BET THINKING I COULD PULL IT OFF...

I HAVE NO PROBLEM ANSWERING THE SOME TIME REDICULOUS QUESTIONS FROM FIRST TIME STARTERS.

I KNOW WHERE I COME FROM.

AND THAT KNOWLEDGE AND PEDIGREE WOULD NEVER ALLOW ME TO LET SOMEONE HIDING BEHIND A KEYBOARD QUESTION MY EXPERTISE, HONOR,AND INTEGRITY.

THE RENO CHALLENGE REMAINS OPEN...

MY BUSINESS WITH RENO IS CLOSED...

AGAIN MY APOLOGIES.

REALITY

P.S.

RENO,

HAD YOU BEEN MAN ENOUGH TO NOT EVEN APOLOGIZE, BUT ADMIT THAT IN HINDSIGHT YOU MAY HAVE MADE A MISTAKE IN POSTING PEOPLES REAL NAMES IN THE FORUM ALL OF THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

I WOULD HAVE RESPECTED THAT AND WE WOULD PROBABLY BEEN EXCHANGING FUNNY STORIES ABOUT THIS BUSINESS THAT ARE NOT FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION VIA PERSONAL E-MAIL,INSTEAD OF THE FIASCO THAT HAS TRANSPIRED.

[Jeff]

Does this mean I have to take the STEEL CAGE down?

[REALITY]

Originally posted by Jeff:
Does this mean I have to take the STEEL CAGE down?

JEFF,
LET ME APOLOGIZE AGAIN TO YOU AND BRIAN FOR WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED.

I HOPE OUR FRIENDSHIP HASN'T PUT A STRAIN ON YOUR BUSINESS AND PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH EACH OTHER.

IN REGARDS TO THE CAGE, IF IT IS PORTABLE AND RENO WOULD LIKE TO SEE US IN VEGAS KEEP IT HANDY.

AGAIN PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCEREST APOLOGY.

REALITY

[DoggieStyle]

But REALITY you could not win your bet no matter what it was on. Your bet is as stupid as the claims you have made to all of us. We don't care! The second you claimed wiseguys are not good for the books you said everything you needed to say! Go on and get lost. Nobody wants to hear that kind of talk. Real bookies don't cry because somebody might be sharper than them!

Do people (suckers) really pay you for this Super Bookie information you posess? Lets throw out the winners and we will be good bookies! Now pay me! This industry is in trouble if it needs your knowledge and the fears you have of the so-called wiseguys.

Stop sucking up to the real players in this industry. That's all your are. That has to be your agenda in all of this. You keep saying I know him and My dear friend this and that. You are a classic failure who has to suck up to get some where in life. I feel sorry for you.

[phaedrus]

Reality, cool now if you could only find your way over to the caps lock key...

[thedevil]

Doggiesyyle.

I don't have to defend Reason and I won't.. I'll defend his ideals about booking... Tell me what a real bookmaker is??? If you can?

Do you or anybody else think that a bookmaker is a guy that hangs out a number and takes any bet that anyone wants...Thats not a bookmaker thats an idiot...

Reality has been saying the same thing over and over..I understand what he is saying..

Maybe after you've made a few million and lost a few million booking you'll get the idea..

It's not so much about winning and losing. It's about whose deserving and whose not...

As I've said in previous posts, there are different kinds of bookies. Those that want all the wiseguy action they can get, those that want a few to balance their books and those that don't want to deal with them at all..

Check your rules from some of the major books. I don't think NASA wants talent nor Royal Sports. Other books want all the business they can get... so they take on everyone.. I've said it before and I'll say it again.. I do not want scalpers in my store, middlers I'll deal with.. I dont like guys that lay no juice and only work to make pennies on games...

If you've ever been in a large store you would be surprised at some of these classy scalpers begging for another penny or two.. You should hear some of them cry when a number they were looking for disappears.. Oh but I layed 35 now you want me to take 32, can't you give me a break.. Sure... Click...

THE DEVIL

[Chillin-the-Most]

great post Devil.

[DoggieStyle]

The Devil nobody really wants scalpers/middlers. The bottom line is this. You say it's O.K. to open a book and tell the winners to take a hike. You want to claim wiseguys. You want to be able to take the suckers money and avoid any sharp players.

You don't want to have to work. You want to buy candy at the store and sell it to idiots at a higher price. Yes there are many idiots out there you so-called bookies can prey on. Yes you will make money, but you are also not playing the game fair!

You want to play the Pittsburgh Pirates, the Los Angeles Clippers, the Atlanta Thrashers, the New Orleans Saints. But you don't want to play the New York Yankees, the Los Angeles Lakers, the New Jersey Devils. You want to win by not playing the best. It's that simple!

What kind of person thinks like this? Greedy people think like this. If you want to play with me it's O.K. unless you want to use your brain, because I don't want to use mine. Are you really one of these people?

[thedevil]

Doggie,

You're putting words in my mouth.. I didn't say half the things you're saying. I stated that there are many ways of booking..To some places wiseguys is the way to go. To others it's not..

I never said chase the winners... Where did you see that?? Sure you'll beat some of them and maybe on some weeks all of them.. But am I beating them or another store? When you get middlers laying numbers at least you have 11/10. at that point they're risking something... I don't like footing the phone bills and having them lower my %..

DEVIL

[REALITY]

DOGGIE STYLE,
FOR THE LAST TIME I WORK FOR THE MAN WHO PAYS MY SALARY.

IF HE SAYS NO WISEGUYS.

THERE WILL BE NO WISEGUYS!

IF HE SAYS WRITE IT ALL.

I'LL WRITE IT ALL!

I DO BOTH JOBS EQUALLY WELL...

REALITY

[Woodstock]

Guys... let it go! Good luck to all.

WS

[bucky]

Devil?
Ok, lets say you try to eliminate your scalper action by trying to keep #'s that are not attractive to a scalper after a steam move (there are better out there). How vulnerable are you to follow the steam players? Do you identify those players and attempt to get rid of them? What about someone that moves for the Pokers or someone like that-do you try to do the same?
Would you prefer to take your chances with that one sided action?

Whales and high limits caused the problem to begin with. Does anybody have any statistics on what might have happened if the #'s were only moved enough to stop the steam action but not enough to get money on the other side? If you don't want scalp action don't you have the power to stop it with your #'s?