Bonus scam ... or not ...

[AYCE]

Oh, Kosar, you want to play?

FINE!

Hey, after spending so much time jerking around in those forums, you still can't understand a simple point from a dense sort like myself.

What a shame!

First of all, again, what a surprise to see you coming into "the game" just like many other "players" such as,

Pinnacle and intheknow, etc.

What a perfect timming it was!

Oh, you like searching and quotes, please take a look at Jack's posts at here before. Again, what a perfect timming it was for a guy whose having all those 7-11 books being his advertisers and came in here to "express" his "opinions".

Hey, Jack, isn't it a better idea to share your great opinions at your own place? What's the needs to stick your nose in it? You have never been a defender of a better bettorsworld at here before, and you have choosen a good timing to do it this time?

Hey, what can I say?

Now, back to you, Kosar.

I don't really give a sh!t about Boomer's troubles/trade secrets at here. Most of the time I read it just like reading the news everyday, does that mean really special to you?

Why haven't I seen you before to defend the books/truth on examples more favor them before?

Because Boomer's case is so special? Because he is a highly profiled poster? Because his ego in all his posts at here before that have set you off?

Oh yeah,

the only special thing about this forum is, everytime where a topic that "can attract attention" had been brought up, there will be guys coming from everywhere/nowhere "eagerly to express their opinions".

Some of them are just naive smart ass, but some others whose obviously having "something" special in their minds.

Well, Kosar, you maybe just another jackass like myself that having too much free time on a Sunday morning, but obviously you need to adjust to the right target to continue your game.

[krackman]

"Boomer stiffs Delmar and scams regular books with bonus money.
Hey Pinnacle! You can have this guy, with my blessings!"


What is that about? Is this true ?

[intheknow]

Krackman,

I was talking about Boomer owing money to Delmar, but telling them that he can't pay until someone else pays him. Can you imagine a book telling a customer that. No pay is No pay, if you can't pay it don't play it.
I was making a joke of Pinnacle's offer to Boomer to join them because he said he was stiffed by some books.
I wouldn't want him for a customer

[Mad Jack]

What seems to be your problem, AYCE? Were you banned from my site or something and carrying a grudge, or are you just another one of the cowardly types that can stroke a mean keyboard?

I guess you took offense to my post because you support scamming books and think it's right, huh? What goes around comes around, slick! I don't have room for mouthly, ignorant slobs like you over there anyway.

Have a good day, little guy!

-Jack

[reno]

Boomer is guilty of bad judgement and poor money management. But he is not a stiff artist, and if he owes Del Mar or any other book money, he will pay them as soon as he can.

[Mad Jack]

Reno,

No, I don't do car stereos.

[Cons]

Mad Jack, if you're going to post with an attitude like then do so at your own site.

Ayce is a respected guy on this forum (most people know him as "Ray"), and he doesn't attack people in such cheap fashion as you have demonstrated. In this thread it just happened that someone took a cheap-shot at him first, but if you know Ray you'll know that when he disagrees with someone, he does so in an intelligent way that is not meant to insult the other person.

Maybe you just got carried away which happens to us all I guess, but do take it easy. Save the nerves for the actual game with the big bucks riding on it...

[Mad Jack]

Cons,

Look. He attacked me in two different posts. I don't even know the guy and have never even seen his user name before, anywhere. I happened to see what was going on over here and expressed my opinion. Why the attack on my site and my advertisers (who happen to be the same ones that are listed here) when I wasn't even talking to HIM.

You're right, I got carried away when I saw his response to me and I'm done. He can take all the shots he wants at me and I won't be back.

My post above is not my normal attitude when interacting on these forums. There are probably about 100,000 people that would verify that.


sorry, man!

-Jack

[Cons]

Cool man, I just like to see people take it easy and relax a little. Usually the only time I get carried away is when there's serious money riding on a game, and some ****er misses a shot at an empty goal. That is when my vocabulary takes a U-turn and the remote is at risk of being turned into a flying object, with the tv screen its most likely target...

Take it easy and good luck, Cons.

[gooden]

AYCE, you cited the books on Mad Jack's site as "7-11". Upon surfing his site, I noticed that many of his books have sound reputations, some of which are on the Bettorsworld list. Now I assume that "7-11" denotes a low-quality and even dishonest sportsbook, so by making this generalization aren't you essentially denigrating Bettorsworld to some extent? I would just appreciate it if you can expound on your posts, because I happen to agree with Mad Jack's and Kosar's opinions.

Two of my biggest pet peeves are littering and dishonesty (especially towards women), and I see a lot of the latter in incorporating a syndicate to exploit generous offers by companies which, in my opinion, reward me plenty with their integrity and credibility. The syndicate I would like to be a part of is the one who supports honest books and treats them in kind for the advancement of an industry we are fond of, and not the one who facilitates the sad irony of subverting an entity that we wish to prosper. After all, don't we post to gamble? IMO, it takes a real man to relish in and enjoy such competition.

Crook is a fitting term for these types, but in addition, I would also like to submit chicken$h!t.

BTW, let's try to discuss this like real men, and cut down on insulting replies. I think this is an excellent topic.

[pnanda]

MJ is a class individual and he posted his opinion on the Boomer matter. Then for AYCE to attack him personally and then blast him again without a response is out of hand. He had a total right to respond.

P.S. I believe this forum is open to all.

[Junior44]

Ya know.....If a semi-intelligent individual read this thread and the other "related" thread, it is not too hard to put 2 and 2 together. Ayce, I don't have any problem with you whatsoever, but why the attack on Jack? Just because he runs another forum, he can't come in here an offer up his opinion? mls opened this thread and posed a question and Jack merely anwered it. But, let's put that aside for now. I don't run my own forum, have no agenda, and didn't just come out of the woodwork, so if I'm allowed, I'll offer up my opinion. The two threads that received the most attention in the last year or so were the Action Sports thread and the current "Open letter to my creditors thread". An awful lot of people spent an awful lot of time offering advice, giving suggestions, offering their sympathy, and volunteering to help. However, if you follow the evolution of the other thread, it becomes apparent that Boomer was not entirely up front from the get go. If this bonus/beard/paid employee thing went down like Boomer and Chester say it did, then the answer to mls' question is rather simple. He tried to cheat the books. Period. Any he knows it....If he sincerely thought that what he was doing was kosher, he would have entered that part of the story into the equation from the get go. But it wasn't addressed until it was exposed. However, this was not the ultimate sin. In his own words "My reference to the fact that no gambler was ever stiffed at a Unified Gaming book was my ineffective and ill-advised manner to subtly send a message to Unified Gaming that I would go public if I did not get my money....." To put this another way, he endorsed this outfit (to the many individuals who value his opinion), for his own self gain. He basically sold everybody out to persue his own self-interests. Reno, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Boomer is guilty of more than bad judgement and poor money management. But, then again, he's not alone.

By the way, Mad Jack's Stereo went out of business down here in San Diego years ago, coincidentally in the midst of a scam operation.

[DoggieStyle]

I wonder if BOOMER pulled this bonus scam with ACTION SPORTS?

I wonder when BOOMER said he played a bet worth $4,000 when he found this amount in his account. And said he was going to pay it after every person who replied advised him he didn't have to. What was that all about? And he wouldn't say which book this was. Nobody wants to play in a book that can't keep their books correct. This is a major error that he brought up and never said the books name. Not wanting to make anyone look bad, but wanting everyone to think he's super clean! Was this a bonus money problem?

BOOMER has always tried to play the saint in here. He scamed the books who only wanted to get new players by offering bonuses. You could make alot of money with this scam.

BOOMER how much money do you think you made with this scam?

GO PORTLAND

[This message has been edited by DoggieStyle (edited 06-04-2000).]

[AYCE]

For guys keep saying me "attacking" Jack, please kindly re-read my posts above and compared with Jack's posts.

PLEASE!!!

This is a public forum, the same as Jack's place, I don't have any problem with opinions from people and I don't give a sh!t on people how to run their sites.

My point and my question is so simple, when I look back on Jack's posts at here before, he seldom (or never) get involved in posts like this before but this time. As he said, he thought he should probably stay away from this one too, but why he wanted to stick his nose in it?

My opinion is, considering he got some of those 7-11 advertisers (btw, if you would like to look back into my posts before, I started to call all those Starnet books and Unified gaming books as 7-11 books since almost a year ago, like it or not, its a fact), may I have some "sensitive" concerns on the timing of his post with his opinion to say that "those sportsbooks in question didn't derserve that"?

There are guys at here even dig your sh!t out of your IP no. and others will say "NICE WORK", when someone new at here and posting some raves for a book, there are always people questioning about his motive behind or labling him as a shill.

So WTF is my opinion becoming a personal attacking on Jack? Why would Jack lay some smacks down on me and didn't even want to explain my concerns?

So who is playing personal attack here?

[Cons]

Ok guys, let's take it easy and chill out...

I really need a little help and insight on sportsbook.com . Are they part of the Starnet group? Also, sportsbook.com claims to be owned by some British gaming company based in Gibraltar. Can anyone put this sportsbook in the limelight and tell me something about their background?

Any previous experiences, good or bad?