Why give away your gold?

[Segundo]

This post does deal with a sports question, keep reading...

About three weeks ago I posted in a blackjack forum that I had found a place to play offshore that deals 8 decks with Vegas rules and ok limits that ALSO deals down to the last 10 to 20 cards in the shoe! I could not believe my ****ing eyes. I played, won a little and came back the next three days in a row to make sure it just was not the dealer but every dealer in the place was dealing down to pratically nothing left. I made a big score and I posted that I was not going to divulge where the casino was nor in what country. I told the posters "why should I educate everyone and their mother about this place and how to take advantage of it, you will just go and ruin it for me", etc. I also said that the idea of posting smart info in those forums was a stupid idea because it educates people that might not have ever learned how to play bj at an advantage, find good places to play, etc. People that will become my competition and eventually ruin it for me.

Well what do you know, the next day I was banned from posting there and my post was deleted with no explanation. I got in touch with the moderator and he told me that it was not a relevant post.

Which brings me to my question. What do you guys think about this as compared to sports gambling info and the posts on this site? I for one love reading info on this site, I have learned so much over the past three months about sports betting, I feel like I owe something to all of the smart posters who have taught me how to make more money at sports gambling like where to buy books to handicap, where to bet, what the percentages are of losing vs winning when laying a certain number, I could go on and on.

Where does it all end? Is it getting to the
point where everyone is going to be a sharp gambler and there will be no more sportsbooks? Will it be like the evolution of blackjack when Ken Uston slammed casinos, the casinos got sick of losing and changed the rules making it harder to win, the casinos lost business, then changed the rules back so that they could get more people in the doors all over a period of about 25 years?

Just some food for thought.

[JPet]

Segundo - how much did you win ??? I don't care about the specifics but am interested in your Big Score.

[WhiteShoes]

sportsbetting is an opinion, while BJ is
a game with only 1 generally
accepted method of winning.

[pay2play]

I've also wondered about the wisdom of making too good a post, at least in the Bookie's Hell forum. Is it their hell, or heaven?
If, say, the MLB line really does contain a constant leak by undervaluing bullpens, or posting low totals at Enron field, as posters over there screamed several times, why would you want to tip them off?
Opinions, sure. Analysis, sure. Business and news, great. But actual statistical leaks? I play cards for a living, have for a long time (though I'm not one of THOSE poker players). Made a lot of friends. But if I see that Joe Blow, pal though he may be, splashes his bets when he's bluffing and stacks them neatly when he isn't, he can do that the rest of his life without me pulling his coat about it.

[Segundo]

Jpet, I won 11,500$ and it should have been a lot more than that. It was over a period of four days and I went at different times of the day. Day 4 I just left because too many people were watching. I'm not a great player but I do know how to vary my strategy when at different plus/minus counts. Next time I go I will have my laptop with me so that I can study the charts for that specific play at those casino's rules.

[sportbettor]

Hey Pay2play,

I used to play poker for a living also. But I think you are offbase saying you would not tip off a friend if they have a tell or a leak in their play. If someone was truly a friend, I would tell them in a second. However, I define a friend as someone I would not hesitate to loan 5 dimes to if they asked and who would do the same for me. There are not too many people like that. Especially in the cardrooms. However, if they are just some player that I know from the cardroom (acquaintences I like to call them), absolutely, I agree with you. As you know the worst thing to see at a Poker table is people giving free lessons to the fish.

As an aside, have you been reading the posts about Johnny D.? People say he shouldn't post here because he preys on the weak and helpless. When I read that I immediately thought, hey all poker players do that too, does that mean we shouldn't post here as well? I mean, if I see a table full of tourists blowing off racks of chips, I am first on the list for the table change. Every poker player I know has no qualms about taking every last dollar from a live one. Not making excuses for Johnny here, but just an observation.

[Segundo]

sportbettor,
I agree 100% with what you are saying. My question for you is why do some people on this forum feel compelled to educate the "fish"? Is it ego? I mean there are some really educated people on this board, is the satisfaction of helping someone become your competitor and cutting into your take that much greater than making money for yourself?

Also, I do not know Johnny D but I think that his posts are of the highest quality. I read only his posts in Oddswiz, I don't really care what he has to say anywhere else. This forum would be at a loss without his knowledge.

[irish]

Second why dont you read Read REALITYS posts.He gives out what you call gold,and i would hazard aguess the guy is not short of a buck

[Ronbets]

Segundo,
Just because I give you the tools, doesnt mean you can get the job done.
B/J gurus K.Uston, R. Thorpe et al created thousands of "experts". Over 95% of them were losers. Those competitors that you worry about actually keep you in positive action.
Inherent charactoristics sometimes destroy the best edges.

[sportbettor]

I have to agree. The BJ point is valid and the same holds true for poker. Look at how many quality books are out on poker. I will admit that without them I would not be half the player I am today, yet with all this info out there, most of the players in cardrooms are losers for life (especially in California) I have this discussion frequently with my friends (who are by and large are also winning players) and we are pretty sure that no more than 5% of the regular players are plus money for their career. They just have way too many holes in their games.

I think the phrase, "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" comes into play here.

[Shawn]

I'd like to push Ronbets' point even further.

If you look through this site you'll see scads of posts and articles trying to hammer home basic truths. A few examples from a quick scour:

--If you only bet favourites in bases, you're likely a contributor.
--Playing six-team parlays makes you a contributor.
--Chasing losses is futile.

Now, hundreds of people read these things each and every month, and guess what? I suspect the majority continue to blindly lay lumber, play multiple team parlays, and/or chase losses.

So many people just don't pay attention, I wouldn't worry too much about revealing "tricks of the trade".

[WhiteShoes]

from what i gather, most people are all
that interested in learning, and really
working at sports betting. It's a
recreational thing for most, and it's fun.
Nobody will ever take away the fun of
betting on big favs or taking a shot on
a 7 team parlay. Thats what I think makes
sports betting unique. Plus the fact that
fun, for some, is maybe 5000 a game....and
it doesn't effect the odds like horse racing.
If it weren't fun for most to bet, then the
whole schmele wouldn't exist, or maybe
soft lines wouldn't come along as often.

everybody should make fun bets because thats
really (to me) what its all about. Only
a small % of bettors take it seriously enough
to work at it.

There are enough wives tales in sports betting to keep everyone guessing for
years....