Suggestions to Euro books

[ray]

Books like VC, Sportingbet, WH etc.

I know you guys have a lasge group of customers that are willing to play future bets and often I will find more fair and reasonable prices at your places.

And I know that all you guys have been offering E/W betting for most of the future bets and again, most of them are much fair than those offshores, especially when it comes to international sports.

My questions is, why not give another option for the bettors to choose?

Why only E/W but not place bet?

E/W means I need to also put the same amount on the win bet, be honest with you, a lot of the times when I consider to make a E/W, it means I don't have enough confidence for my bet to win BUT it has a good chance to get into the front (3, 4 or 5).

Would you consider a place bet offer other than E/W?

[Phil]

Here Here.

I was just on the phone today with an English book and they would not let me make my place wager on my pick to win the Masters. I had to go e/w.

The aussie books will take place wagers. Why not the English ones????

[Stanley]

Who did you try to place it with Phil?

In the UK there are 2 bookies that have place betting for golf: Sunderland [don't have the phone number, sorry] and Stan James [site: www.stanjames.com].

Try them out instead if that's the only type of wager you want to place. Hope this helps.

[This message has been edited by Stanley (edited 01-31-2000).]

[Cons]

I got burned by each-way betting on the Australian Open, mainly because I thought I was betting the plaers to "place." But later I caught and saw the difference. If not for Hingis in the semis I would still be in a bad mood.

The truth of the matter is that each-way betting is odd and complicated at that. Why the split, why bet someone to win, if I can do that normally anyway?

I think "place" wagers are the future, and hopefully we will see more books offer them in the near future.

[ShiftySheik]

If I bet $50 each way 1,2; is that the same as betting $25 Win & $25 Place or is it $50 Win & $50 Place? I'm not familiar with Euro odds. Please explain.

[Stanley]

A $50 e/w bet is a $50 bet to win and a $50 bet to finish in top-5 @ 1/4 odds. The total amount staked in a $50 e/w bet is $100.

For a full explanation see my post in the thread '5 Way Golf'.

[Phil]

Stanley - thanks I will try them. I had just tried Hills and Chandlers.

By the way Stan, thanks as well for mr. Campbell last weekend. very sweet. I see this week that our friend's the bookies are being no where near as generous with him.

[This message has been edited by Phil (edited 02-01-2000).]

[hilper]

Don't waste your time dealing with Stan James. They claim to be "tax-free" but have added a 1% "service charge" on the bets - ugly.
Sunderlands, I believe,is not operating "off-shore" so the regular devastating English betting-tax applies.
I think William Hill (on-line) is probably the best european bookmaker at the moment. At least for those of you who usually want to place bigger bets. Victor Chandler used to be good but are now scared to death to take any bigger bets unless they are sure you are a looser....

[Cons]

ShiftySheik, as Stanley said, $50 each way is $50 on the win and $50 on the place. So if you want to just bet $50 altogether you make a $25 each-way bet. It's annoying that you just can't bet the guy/team to place and nothing else.

Hilper, just to clarify, I am with VC, I am winning with them, and I have never had a problem with limits. About Stan James, what 1% service charge do they use? What site are you looking at?

The only one I know is www.stanjames.com and they charge 3% to be exact. Are you talking about a US sports site of theirs that I didn't even know existed?

[hilper]

Cons, I registered with Stan James 1½ year ago. Then it was completely "tax-free". However, one year ago I got a letter stating that they from then on would charge a 1% fee. As I said though, they are very careful cutting down £ 50 doubles on tennis to offer you £ 5 (quite an insult....) I am not from the UK, but maybe they, like VC, charge 3% from those customers.

When it comes to VC they should absolutely still be recommended. But, in the beginning of their off-shore operation it was never any problem placing bets for £ 5-10,000 no matter what event it was. Now they have barred or are cutting down a lot of players I know anyhow. I am still allowed to bet with the superbook but f ex on sides in the NHL they let me bet only up to $ 1,000. They claim to accept almost any limit - "try us" it used to say on their website....

[Cons]

Yeah, there's no mention of the tax on their web site. I assume we're accessing the same one? (www.stanjames.com)

If they are currently charging you 1%, do you still get a toll-free number to dial, or do you call international. They usually "claim" that the 3% is means to take into account the 0-800 phone access...

Their juice is exorbitant, and I only use them for tennis, when pretty much all books whip out the 40-cent lines.