Millennium Sports/Nasa Int. one in the same

[nickles]

After reading all these great things about Millsports on this site and THE Prescription, i decided to check them out....Now maybe, it's just me ? but has anyone else noticed all the similarities between these two books?? first of all..Same location {just read what Tom, GM from millsports has to say about their new facility over at The Presciption} sound familiar?? similar logo's and websites..same Mastercard deal with the same Bank in Belize...same software....both are backed by that stellar group at the OSGA...but the grand daddy of all......THEY BOTH RESERVE THE RIGHT NOT TO PAY CLIENTS!!!!! read the rules on the home page of Millsports...same as NASA INT. So maybe before beliving all the hype about any book, take a moment to look for yourself. Thanks for the recommendation guys!!

[thecorner]

And here's all the proof you need which is
available at http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois

Registrant:
Moishe (MILLSPORTS-DOM)
Equss Building
San Pedro, SAN JOSE n/a
CR

Domain Name: MILLSPORTS.COM

Administrative Contact:
Chamberlain, Carlos (CC10062) webmaster@BETONSPORTS.COM
(506) 283-0561 (FAX) (506) 283-0193
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Hostmaster, Rapidsite Inc. (HRI-ORG) hostmaster@RAPIDSITE.NET
561-994-6684
Fax- 561-994-6617
Fax- - 304-243-2497
Billing Contact:
Chamberlain, Carlos (CC10062) webmaster@BETONSPORTS.COM
(506) 283-0561 (FAX) (506) 283-0193

Record last updated on 20-Apr-1999.
Record created on 20-Apr-1999.
Database last updated on 5-Jan-2000 13:07:52 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.NAMESERVERS.NET 207.158.192.40
NS2.NAMESERVERS.NET 209.41.31.13

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Registrant:
moishe (BETONSPORTS3-DOM)
equus building
san pedro, s.j. 0000
CR

Domain Name: BETONSPORTS.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
CARLOS, CHAMBERLAIN (CC8439) CARLOS@BETONSPORTS.COM
506-283-0561 (FAX) 506-283-0561
Billing Contact:
CARLOS, CHAMBERLAIN (CC8439) CARLOS@BETONSPORTS.COM
506-283-0561 (FAX) 506-283-0561

Record last updated on 26-Aug-1998.
Record created on 26-Aug-1998.
Database last updated on 5-Jan-2000 13:08:31 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.NAMESERVERS.NET 207.158.192.40
NS2.NAMESERVERS.NET 209.41.31.13

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Registrant:
NASA (NASASPORTSBOOK-DOM)
10 NEWGATE STREET
ST. JOHN, ANTIGUA,
AG

Domain Name: NASASPORTSBOOK.COM

Administrative Contact:
Carlos, Gary (GK1397) webmaster@NASACASINO.COM
506-283-0561 (FAX) 268-480-5105
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Hostmaster, Rapidsite Inc. (HRI-ORG) hostmaster@RAPIDSITE.NET
561-994-6684
Fax- 561-994-6617
Fax- - 304-243-2497
Billing Contact:
Carlos, Gary (GK1397) webmaster@NASACASINO.COM
506-283-0561 (FAX) 268-480-5105

Record last updated on 22-Jul-1998.
Record created on 14-Apr-1998.
Database last updated on 5-Jan-2000 13:08:31 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.NAMESERVERS.NET 207.158.192.40
NS2.NAMESERVERS.NET 209.41.31.13

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Registrant:
OFSETA S.A. (NASACASINO2-DOM)
EQUUS BUILDING
SAN PEDRO, S.J. 00000
CR

Domain Name: NASACASINO.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
CARLOS, CHAMBERLAIN (CC8439) CARLOS@BETONSPORTS.COM
506-283-0561 (FAX) 506-283-0561
Billing Contact:
CARLOS, CHAMBERLAIN (CC8439) CARLOS@BETONSPORTS.COM
506-283-0561 (FAX) 506-283-0561

Record last updated on 17-Jul-1998.
Record created on 17-Jul-1998.
Database last updated on 5-Jan-2000 13:07:52 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.NAMESERVERS.NET 207.158.192.40
NS2.NAMESERVERS.NET 209.41.31.13

[KnowItAll]

They are the same. I have been in their office. The only difference is that NASA is in one half of the room and Millennium is on the other, but it is the same room, with the same managers, and same computers. While I would never play with any books that have the policies they have, I will say they have the greatest bm office I have ever been in.

[MAXIMUM VALUE]

Knowitall

Would you mind letting us know what policies you are talking about?

[dragonboy]

LET ME CLARIFY SOMETHING:


I could care less if Millennium is affiliated with NASA.....All I know is that for the last year and half, Millennium has paid out to me over 20K in winnings with a smile....never and I mean never had a problem asking for my money. They have solid lines and I've never had a problem logging into their site all year. They have even upgraded more servers to facilitate customers. The policy you are reading about is generally the same policy at all books, which basically mean "we have the right to refuse service to anyone".....this is just a disclaimer for idiotic disgruntled customers that unjustly demand money....I have never had any problems with wagering disputes or lines at Millennium and the timeframe upon which they credit your account after a game goes final is amazing....2-3 minutes , sometimes a minute after....they are hands down the most solid book that offers 10 percent on every reup to your account over 300......with all the rave about ANTIGUA books, which are still excellent in my opinion, none of them have topped the service and wagering variations that Mill offers and I have an account with almost all of them , WWTS, SOS, Premiere League,Olympic,
Post Time.....none of these offer 10 percent every time you deposit money into your account...In conclusion, you will not go wrong with any these books. However, if you just want that extra UMPH! of service , go with Millennium.

[dragonboy]

One other thing, the checks your get from Millennium are drawn from a bank in the U.S., not from another country so your hold time on the check is considerably less specifically if your talking about 5 digits or more.....you know how banks are, they can hold your check for weeks sometimes for that amount if it's an out of the country bank.
To be exact it's drawn from Chase Manhattan in NY....This is where my last check for 13K came from.....So you decide if they are solid or not.

[bighands]

i dealt with Tom and G at both Millenium and N.A.S.A. business and persoal. Both stand up guys asiknow Brian canverify. I have witnessed many 6 figure transactions go both ways. if they share all of the above is'nt that called cost cutting? good luck.

[dragonboy]

Nickels and Corners,

Where do you see on the Millennium homepage the rule about "reserving the right to not pay anyone".....I am reading the rules right now as we speak and have read it up and down and sideways and there is no such rule.
Can you please point out this rule on their homepage before making any accusations.

[KnowItAll]

MV,

I am talking about their policy not to pay players they deem to be syndicate bettors. It may not say that on their web site now, but it did before. I have worked in this business for over 10 years, in books all over the world and have never worked for a book that refused to pay on bet they took. This is the only gripe I have with NASA. If they have changed their policies, that’s great.

[thecorner]

dragonboy, I did not say that they reserve the right to not pay anyone. I was only confirming that they are indead the one and the same according to the domain name registration.

KnowItAll, I believe that the syndicate bettor policy that you are referring to is at http://www.millsports.com/home.html at the bottom of the right frame in small print.

"Any and all bets placed in attempt in any way to defraud millennium sports and/or made by or contracted by any bookmarker(s), gambling syndicates, and/or any person, persons, parties, organization(s), friends or relatives either individually or in partnership or in conjunction with any other person or persons, parties, organization(s), friends, relatives, firm or corporation in any matter what so ever who carry on or be engaged in or be concerned with or interested in or advise, lend money to, guarantee the debts or obligations or any business of the kind or similar to the kind of business of millennium sports shall be voided and the balance in such accounts held by millennium sports."

[mls]

I think I understand why neither of these books is listed to the left ...

[The Guesser]

I can only echo Dragon's raves about this place. When Millennium first started, they used the identical software that Nasa Int'l uses. That explains the registration. There are many, many sportsbooks that use the same software, or have other inter- dependencies. There is nothing wrong with that, and to make like it's some sort of big revelation makes no sense to me. Now "Mill" uses the same or similar software as ABC Islands(Personally I preferred the Nasa Software). Does that mean they are now Identical or one of the same as ABC? No, there are similarities, but that's all. "Mill" should be judged on their own Merits, and IMHO they are outstanding. And actually, Nasa Int'l IS listed to the left, and their syndicate policy has been thoroughly debated here in BW and elsewhere.

[ShiftySheik]

Guesser, Look again, NASA is no longer listed on the left. I wouldn't post up with Millsports after seeing that "no pay" disclaimer.

[nickles]

dragonboy, it clearly states on their home page THEY RESERVE THE RIGHT NOT TO PAY and HOLD all client balances at their discretion...Look, i don't want to beat a dead horse, this whole thing NASA thing has been played out before....play where you want.I just would't give these clowns any of my money!!