Golf outs for 2000 PGA season wanted

[DavetheWave]

Looking for a few good SB's that put up golf.

Would like a SB that

1. Puts up the atch ups every week, not just the majors.

2. Puts them up before Wednesday evening.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[buckeye]

Of my "golf" outs, all online, WSEX seems to put up matchups odds the earliest ( Mondays ) and are the most consistant at doing it. Intertops also consistently puts matchups up before Wednesday. Though less consistant, 5dimes, islandcasino, sportinteraction, and carib sometimes put up lines before Wednesday. Moneyplayscasino and Gotocasino also offer daily matchups during the tourneys as well as the 72-hole matchups. Sportingbet and Willhill also offer daily matchups, but they have a "ties lose" betting option that I detest and really can't recommend based on how often it seems to happen.

I don't use them, because they are phone-only, but Bowmans and Victor Chandler both evidently offer early matchups. VC also uses the "ties lose".

If you are looking for early consistant 72-hole matchups, I would say WSEX and ITOPS are your best routes. The others sometimes offer "different" matchups and daily lines, but they are less reliable and some change lines and offerings from week to week.

Good Luck!
These guys are good!

[Hartley]

Most books have matchups and odds before Wednesday. Most use Roxy's matchups but for some variety Bowman's has slightly different odds.

If you want something completely different try WSEX's interactive golf (although it likely won't start until February). Buy and sell contracts on golfers - it's fun and a great way to make money.

[Hartley]

Correction. I just spoke to Steve at WSEX and they are doing Interactive on the Mercedes Championship.

Because the event is in Hawaii they are able to do both football and Golf.

[DavetheWave]

Buckeye & Hartley
Thanks for the leads, I'll check the ones you mentioned that I don't already use. I agree that WSEX does the good job of getting them up early. You might check out playersonly or any of the other Starnet sites, they beat everyone that I use this week in getting the Mercedes Championship matchups up.

As to Intertops, their limits are ridiculously low and I had a bad experience with them that they was not resolved. Needless to say, regardless of their reputation here or anywhere else I would NEVER send them a dime.

Other outs I use that have been good for the golf are CRIS, Delmar, VIPsports.

I've used Victor Chandler before and still have a little money with them, however the ties lose crap may fly in Europe but it won't fly here. For a book that is the "offical" bookmaker of the European PGA Tour and advertises limits that are "very high" they have no grasp yet of the American sports betting market.

Good luck this year with your plays

[Cons]

I recall VC saying something about offering live wagering on major golfing events. Don't know if they still do that, but it might be an interesting option if it's still available.

[Stanley]

Another book that will be offering live odds during the final rounds of most of the US and European Tour events is Stan James [www.stanjames.com]. A British bookmaker now based in Gibraltar for tax evasion

They display the in-running odds on their website, but big drawback is that you have to phone-in bets. Don't know if they have any plans to move to online wagering.

[Hartley]

There's a big difference between updated odds which V.C. and Stan James offer and what WSEX does. With the British books you are simply getting revised odds. With World Sports Exchange you have shares in contracts which you buy and sell. So for example say you like David Toms in the Mercedes Championship. You can buy shares at $2 each so assume you buy 20 shares for $40. After day 3 say he is leading by 2 strokes and his market becomes 40-45. You can sell the contracts (or any portion) at $40 each so for your $40 you can be guaranteed $800 if you sell them all regardless of how he finishes. With the other books because you get revised odds you only get paid if the golfer wins and you can't sell early to guarantee a profit.

[Cons]

Hartley, if you really want to get into these up and down changing markets then I would recommend trying: http://www.sportingindexusa.com/

As far as safety goes, they are on an entirely different level than all the books on the left, even the Euro ones. They are regulated by the SFA, which regulates the London Stock Exchange.

[AussieVamp2]

yeah, well that WSEX is spread betting in another form

[Stanley]

Now that the discussion has moved on to this, Sporting Index also offer live quotes [just like WSEX's interactives] during the final round of virtually all the PGA Tour events. They use a 25-10-5 index so you can still win money/limit your losses if your player doesn't win. With the WSEX interactives, it a winner-takes-all format.

[Hartley]

There's still differences between WSEX and the European system. Both have advantages though. Although I've never bet on spread betting in Europe, I think it's a great idea for things like golf and f1. I really believed that BAR was going to be awful last year (and they were). I believe Villeneuve had a spread of 9-11 for F1 points last year at the beginning. Had I "sold short" I believe called "buy" in Europe on Villeneuve I could have made 9x my money since he dindn't score a single F1 point.

The one thing I do like about the European system is the ability to bet e/w.

[Hamhog]

Posters having been touting Euro books stability and golf matchups.

A very prominent Eurobook is currently offering golf matchups with a 40 cent line and ties lose. They claim to have very high limits but will only take $250 on one of these 40 cent ties lose matchups.

If the overhead does not eat them alive, I can understand how they will never lose the house. Those steep lines have made me seriously consider cutting out the middle man - betting - and just giving them my money. It would save time.

Would you rather have an ultra safe book that would make you lay 1.30 on a coin flip or a book that is fairly safe that will let you lay 1.10?

[Stanley]

I don't disagree with you Hamhog, for years we in the UK have had to put up with 3-way betting, excessive juice and betting tax! It's no wonder they so frigging secure when everything has so heavily been against the punter.

We've not been touting Euro books' matchups, merely pointing out that looking at the British/European books provides a wider choice of betting options; in this thread it has been a wider array of in-running betting whether it be spread betting at Sporting Index or fixed odds with VC or Stan James.

You're right,not one of the British/European books offer twenty cent lines and they have the tie as a separate bet. It stinks we all agree, but it doesn't mean we disregard them completely. Very few of the North American sportsbooks offer their own matchups; virtually everyone adopts the same ones and their lines differ only very slightly. The British/European books offer their own matchups and there is usually very little copying of each other's matchups. The result is a wider selection of matchups to choose from.

If we add that many of them also provide matchups for all four days of each golf tournament [mostly based on the pairings], then there is no doubt that by also considering what these books have to offer the golf bettor has more chance of winning. I'd rather have the choice of fifty 72-hole matchups with up to thirty and forty cent matchups than just limit myself to a handful with 20 cent lines.

[Cons]

Hamhog, I agree that the colossal books based in the UK have excessive juice. They are industry giants that don't seem to adapt very fast. One the other hand one of these books is probably larger than ALL the Caribbean books bunched together.

But look out for the smaller (still larger than most Caribbean books) joints, like VC, Bowmans, and especially Sportingbet. blueSq will also be good once they drop the tax. They dropped it to 4%, but it's still not enough. I like their betting options though... but for spread betting (on US sports), sportinindexusa is the top choice I would say.