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    I had originally planned on taking off after baseball, and just getting some R&R until next season. However, my partner came up with some simple, make-shift betting systems in hoops and hockey, so we decided to conservatively play until the new Millenium, and then vacation.

    Since we were playing, we also decided to do some serious middling in the hoops and hockey. I hadn't middled baskets since 1991, and had never liked it as much as baseball scalping. I had also heard from a partner of Marty the Jew, a true sportsbetting Hall of Fame middler, that middling had gone down the tubes, and that they weren't even going to bother with it this basketball season.

    Well,I had updated my middle studies in the NBA and colleges after the college rule changes in the 80's. I knew that middling colleges wasn't even close to what it had been before the time clock and 3-point shot were introduced. However, even after the rule changes, my studies showed a 1% profit edge on 1.5 point college middles in the 1-6 point spread range. This 1% edge was identical to what 1.5 middles on NBA sides have historically been worth. So, I assumed that Marty had just run into some bad luck, and that I should still make some nice money by middling.

    Anyway, from middling baskets in November, we have lost money. We are geting "juiced out." We have yet to hit an NBA side- middle. We've hit some stuff in the colleges and NBA totals, but not enough to cover our juice. What is really aggravating is the size of the middles we are getting. For example, Saturday, we layed -18 on Bowling Green and took + 22 on Arkansas LR; we got Boston College +10 and Penn State -7.5, etc, etc. Plenty of 2 pt.+ middles. And after the day, I'm down a few dimes in juice.

    In Hockey, our studies showed that pk. was worth 35 cents and "1" worth 45 cents. Since you can't really middle hockey, we decided to go for "reverse middles-scalps." For example, we would bet one team at -0.5 goal at +120 and the other at pk.+ 120. Theoretically, since pk. is worth 35 cents-- and we are getting a total of 40 cents--we would have a 5-cent edge on this game. If the game doesn't end in a tie, we scalp it for 20 cents. If it falls tie, we push one side and lose the other. In the long run, these type games should, theoretically, not end in a tie often enough for one to grind out a profit.

    So much for theory. After a couple of weeks of going for these reverse middle-scalps, we are down several dimes. We want the baskets to fall, and they don't. We want the hockey games to not fall, and they do. Call it the "middler's blues."

    Although we are down middling, our plays, based on simple, unsophisticated sytems, have won, and we are roughly break-even for the month. We'll probably keep middling until the end of December, just to see if it turns around. Whether it does or doesn't, I won't be middling again anymore. I just hate to work hard all day, get great middles, have nothing fall, and lose a few dimes for my efforts. On days like that, you ask yourself why you even got out of bed.

    According to our research, bandwagoners who bet the steam moves in baskets are just spinning their wheels. The NBA totals are still great for the first few weeks of the season, but show diminishing return thereafter. Steam sides in the NBA and colleges, unlike years ago, no longer do particularly well, even in November.

    The bottom line is, you need to pick winners or follow someone who does. Next season, if our research bears fruit, we will bet serious money on hoops and hockey. But whether or not our research bears fruit, my days as a serious middler will be history.

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    Reno, what is the best "scalp" you have ever made?

    I remember last year I could have scalped a game at something like +250/+250 (correct lines), absolutely amazing. Unfortunately, one side was at an offshore out while the other was local. The local out involved me getting over there with a briefcase full of cash, something I didn't feel like doing at the time. The local out was a normal, legit, street-corner sportsbook. Maybe if I had found out about this a day earlier, I would go for it, but as things happened I left it because time was a constraint as well. Haven't seen anything as good since... and I don't think I ever will...

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    • #3
      Sorry to hear about your bad run.

      May I ask, are you ahead just counting totals? What gap have you been using?

      I've been middling NBA totals with a gap of least 2.5 points and am ahead so far.

      I'm not sure if I been lucky or found a long term winner so I'm in the process of studying some pointspread histories.

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      • #4
        The best scalp I ever got was on the Pernell Whitaker/Jorge Paez fight that took place circa 1991. At that time, I was living in Rosarita Beach, Mexico, right next to a Caliente sportsbook. And I was scalping/middling between there and Las Vegas. Anyway, all of the Mexican money came on Paez, a Mexican, and I was able to lay
        -225 on Whitaker at Caliente, while my partner took +700 on Whitaker in Vegas.

        The best scalp I ever heard of, but never got myself, was when Michael Spinks fought some white Swedish stiff, named something like Stephen Tangstead, for the heavyweight championship. This took place in the mid-late 80s. Anyway, Spinks was something like a -300 to -400 favorite. Well, a group of rich Swedes went to the Marina, which is long gone, and bet so much on Tangstead that he became a -700 favorite.

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        • #5
          Tyler, 2.5 points will give you a slight edge middling NBA totals. 3 points is really good, and what you should shoot for. We are ahead so far on the NBA totals middles, but it doesn't balance what we are down in NBA and college sides, and hockey reverse middle-scalps. Although NBA totals have been falling this season, there is no guarantee of making money from them in the course of a season. I had one year when I lived in Vegas that I lost money middling NBA totals. Nothing would fall. I must have missed middling 100 games by .5 to 2.0 points. The same thing has been happening to me this year on the hoops side middles. I've had tons of games that have been right on or near the number with seconds left in the game, and they just keep missing the numbers I need. However, one man's meat is another man's poison. Whereas, we middlers are cursing the failure of games to land on the number, the BMs are celebrating. They hate, and rightfully so, getting middled. So far, the sportsbetting gods are favoring the bookies. But, as we know, the gods are fickle, and the tide could turn.

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          • #6
            Just want to correct a mistake concerning the Whitaker/Paez fight. I meant to say that my partner took Paez at +700.

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            • #7
              Reno- For being as sharp as you are I was surprised you said you cant middle the hockey. Instead of playing -1/2 and pk and recieving >35 cents,play + 1/2 and pk and lay <35 cents, same thing for 1, -1/2 and +1<45 cents

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              • #8
                Bbuster, this month is my first attempt at middling hockey, and I certainly don't claim to be an expert at it. I haven't paid enough attention lately, but when we first started middling the hockey a few weeks ago, we found very few regular middles where we could go between pk. and +1/2 for 30 cents or less, or between -1/2 and + 1 for 40 cents or less.(And to make middling worthwhile, you should really shoot for 25 cents or less off pk. and 35 cents or less off "1"). And since we found few regular middles, we stopped paying much attention to looking for them. However, we found plenty of "reverse middle scalps" and started doing them, only to find an unexpected percentage of games falling tie or "1." Moreover, we haven't been paying much attention to the hockey lately, other than putting in our plays. Our main focus has been on the baskets.

                Because of my disenchantment with the "reverse middle scalps," where we believed we were getting more games with greater profit potential than from available middles, I think I will again start paying more attention to the availability of regular middles. However, I just talked to my partner on the phone--we're taking a much-needed day off--and he said he still checks for regular middles every day, and just doesn't find them.

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                • #9
                  I'm glad the topic of middling was brought up. With all the different sportsbooks I am in, it certainly helps me out for getting the best line possible for the team I have an opinion on. However I was contemplating taking this one step further. I was thinking about wagering on team strictly based on the number as well along with the teams I have an opinion on. Yet with the %10 juice, I know a half pt wouldn't nuetralize the 10% bookie advantage the majority of the time. But I know there are people out there that shop the lines and try to find the good numbers. My question is when is it to the players advantage? IF the line on a football game is 3 everywhere else and 2.5 in one book, is that worth laying the 2.5pts? If that same line is 3.5 in another should I bet both ways and hope for the middle? Is the probability of the game falling on the 3 greater than 1 out of 20? In basketball the other night I tried a middle, I bet temple -4.5 and Indiana +5.5... I figured Temple would win by exactly 5 more frequently then 1 out of 20 times. What do you guys think? Any tips or insight would be greatly appreciated!

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                  • #10
                    reno you must be having some butt ugly luck in hockey because your system is sound.

                    -.5 +20 / pk. +20 returns 20% and ties this year in the NHL are running around 13%......so you should be averaging about 2.2% return on everything you run through the system. Losing money would take an incredible and unnatural and unsustainable run of bad luck. So hang in there...you may give up baseball in the end.

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                    • #11
                      Mike1212, on NBA sides you need 1.5 point middles to show a profit. In other words, laying 4.5 an taking 5.5 won't cut it. You need to take 6 if you layed 4.5. On college sides, you also can show a profit on 1.5 pt. middles up to 6 or 7 pt. favorites. Beyond that, you need two-point middles. Regarding the NFL, laying 2.5 and taking 3.5 is fantastic. But nowadays, unless you've got an oblivious BM out in Podunk, you won't find it anymore. In college football, you can make a 2.5% profit on two-point middles in the 1-6 pt. range. However, forget getting two-point football middles unless you are a money-mover who has access to the "original" steam numbers of a betting syndicate, such as the Poker Players.

                      The keys to big-time middling success are: 1) Know your mathematical edge, or lack thereof, in every situation. 2) Get the original numbers on "steam games" (available via information.) 3) Have a large bankroll and tons of outs. 4) Take plenty of anti-depressants and Pepto Bismo to help you during long droughts when games refuse to fall and you continually get "juiced out."
                      5) Take Dr. Ruth's self-help psychotherapy course that will help you develop your delayed gratification capacity. You can have losing seasons middling, but in the long, long run, theoretically speaking, of course, you have a mathematical edge and should come out ahead. 6) Good luck. You'll need it.

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                      • #12
                        IN ADDITION TO ALL RENO'S MIDDLING NECESSITIES TRY TO GET SOME OUT THAT LET YOU LAY 05.AS SOMEONE WHO MIDDLES AND TAKES POSITIONS IT IS MY BELIEF THAT IF YOU JUST MIDDLE BY HAVING EQUAL $ ON BOTH SIDES YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF SPINNING YOUR WHEELS BY GETTING JUICED OUT. IT HELPS TO ALSO GET SOME SOFT OUTS (EASIER SAID THAN DONE).ID RATHER SIT ON SOFT NUMBERS THAN MIDDLE BACK AND GIVE THE MONEY TO A SHARP STORE.MIDDLING IS A FULL TIME JOB. WHEN NUMBERS POP UP THE NIGHT BEFORE OR IN THE MORNING,YOU NEED TO GET GOOD NUMBERS BEFORE THEY SOLIDIFY.

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                        • #13
                          reno and ajax, thanx so much for your insite, your tips have been written down. Ajax i agree with sometimes just taking the soft # and not betting the "true" line. Reno, when you bet the steam plays do you always buy back so you can only lose the juice or do you leave it alone knowing that you have the advantage... like say you got VT +10, if it goes to 7 will you lay the 7 and try for the middle or just keep with the 10 knowing that you have a 3 pt advantage? Also, the other night i took UF -150 on the moneyline and georgetown +4,, so 1,2,3 would pay like 8 to 1, and 4 would pay like half that. ofcourse the gators won by 10 but I whatever.. do you guys ever do moneyline with the pts? thanx

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                          • #14
                            Mike1212, because my studies show the "steam" on NBA and college sides essentially worthless the past few seasons, I have been keeping equal amounts on both sides. Since the NBA "steam" totals have done very well the first few weeks the past few years, we maintained a position on them and profited somewhat this year from doing so. However, from this point of the season on, you will make more money on them by equally middling both sides.

                            Here's a question: From what I've heard, Billy Walters, because of this third indictment, is supposedly through betting. He owns 18 golf courses and is sick of the government harassment. Now, with Billy, long the biggest mover of money in sportsbetting out of the picture, are we seeing reduced movement in the NBA totals this year? I didn't pay any attention to hoops last year, so I don't know. I ask this because the "steam" in NBA totals seems to lack steam. Is this because Billy is out of the picture or because big-time movers are still uncertain because of the NBA rule changes? Anyone have answers?

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                            • #15
                              So Reno, if the line moves 2 pts or more from the original line, then should I play it? Also, if you bet the early line, how do you know it will move atleast a pt and a half for you to bet the other way and have the advantage? Another thing, what are some good football numbers? would betting 6.5 and 7.5 work? what about 9.5 and 10.5, or just the 10.5 when everywhere else is 10? Just out of curiosity.. a couple months ago did when Maryland played NC, the line opened at -3, then NC's qb went out and the line reached as high as 10, did you get Maryland at 3?

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